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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you people like to keep things merely nice and clean but I still thought to suggest a category for those comics that are not nice and clean at all. Best Sickening Comic or something?

And with that I don´t mean just trying to (well not more than normally) shamefully promote ours which is just averagely vomitable - There are some serious players around. Or at least that´s what I´ve heard from big hairy girls from the other side of the river.

Overall (and seriously Wink) your idea to organize that sort of webcomic award is nice and pretty interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems the discussion is slowing a little, even though there are still categories to be decided upon. So here's what I suggest: for each category (or group of categories) we open a new thread with a title beginning with "Category:" followed by the category name. In those threads we discuss the individual categories, weigh up the arguments for and against, and then create a poll.

I get the impression that the main things that need deciding upon are:
    *Best art - one category or two, based on colour and black and white.
    *Genre categories - do we have them or not?
    *Most improved - do we include this category or not?
    *Non-English comics - do we have the resources to do this or not?
    *Most overlooked - do we include this category or not?

Are there any other categories people think should be included, or other suggested categories anyone thinks should not be?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts:
Chilari wrote:
Best art - one category or two, based on colour and black and white.

I'm not too fussed.
Chilari wrote:
Genre categories - do we have them or not?

Certainly not the multitude of categories such as sci-fi, romance, gaming etc... I'd go for two broad categories, "humour" and "not humour" (tho you'd call the latter "storytelling" or something)
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Most improved - do we include this category or not?

I'm against it for reasons already discussed
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Non-English comics - do we have the resources to do this or not?

I don't think so. Also a vote on this would be heavily biased towards fairly common language (such as Spanish) comic over something a little more obscure (such as Finnish), unless they were both translated into english, in which case you could just enter them into regular categories.
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Most overlooked - do we include this category or not?

I don't think there's any feasible way to set the "maximum popularity" bar

Chilari wrote:
Are there any other categories people think should be included, or other suggested categories anyone thinks should not be?

Best newcomer is quite a good one
And, of course, Best Comic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LukeSurl wrote:
My thoughts:
Chilari wrote:
Genre categories - do we have them or not?

Certainly not the multitude of categories such as sci-fi, romance, gaming etc... I'd go for two broad categories, "humour" and "not humour" (tho you'd call the latter "storytelling" or something)


Genre categories are the last thing we need. It will split resources and attention. It will also create far too many categories for anyone to care, because it will look like we've got so many awards we're just giving them away without merit. It will also mean someone constantly complaining that their genre isn't catered for.

As for your broad categories, "storytelling" can't be the opposite to "humour". Many humour comics also tell a story.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think someone suggested having a "best storytelling" and "most funny" awards, which covers most comics out there, a few twice, and recognises different aspects of the comic industry. Would that work instead of best humour comic vs best story comic?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to start making the individual threads like Chilari suggested.

The following are pretty much a given as far as I'm concerned:

Best Comic
Best New Comic
Best Writing
Best Art

The questions to be brought up by the individual threads will be:


Should Best Art be split into Best Colour Art and Best Black and White or should there be a category for Best Non-traditional art to cover 3D comics and photocomics?

Should there be a category for Best Story Comic and Best Humour Comic and what exactly should these two be called?

Should Best Original Concept or Best Use of The Medium be included or can they be combined into a Most Innovative Comic category?

Should we have a Best Limited Series category for shorter spanning comics with a definitive end?

Should there be a Best Non-English Language category?

Should we have a Hidden Gem Award for best under-appreciated comic?

Should we have a Most Improved category?

Should we have awards for individual genres?

I'm going to run the threads without polls until Sunday and then I'll open polls based on the discussions in those threads a week later. A week after that I'll close them and we'll have our categories.

If anyone else has any other category suggestions they think should be given a thread post them here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been suggested to let the actual awards coincide with the Oscars.
Now... feel free to torch the idea or adjust where needed, but allow me to present: THE Online Self-published Comic-ARTS!

Categories including but not necessarily limited to:
Most interesting / likable main character (male)
Most interesting / likable secondary character (male)
Most interesting / likable main character (female)
Most interesting / likable secondary character (female)
Best Art Direction (mise en scene)
Best Costume design
Best Storytelling
Best Foreign Language Comic
Best Comic
Best Visual Effects / Editing
Best Writing (comedy)
Best Writing (story)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I like the idea of best costume design. A lot of comic artists put a lot of time into costume design, some of them even for one-off characters or multiple costume changes for characters. That kind of effort often goes underappreciated.

However, this does tend to cover long-form and story comics to a greater degree than short-form and humour comics (though not always).

I also like the name of the awards.

I'm not so sure about having "best character" categories. I assume you mean to have those as a parallel to the Oscar's Best actor/actress categories, but I don't think it's really the same, since there's a huge difference between creating a character and playing one. Plus, it adds four categories.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should at least discuss a “Best character” award in its own thread. But only one award for that, not “Best female character”, “Best male character”, “Best alien character”, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with best character, going for 4 was stretching it Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know everyone is against adding too many categories, but I like "Best or Most Interesting Character". Male and Female. I think that would be a lot of fun to vote on, and also to see what characters people nominate!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started up threads for Best Character and Best Costume Design.

I can't say I'm a huge fan of your name idea though, oppy.
No offence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the name Sad It took me a whole 5 seconds to come up with while at work!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awww.
Sorry Boss.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally speaking, when votes come on the topics on this forum, is there any way for one to change their vote? I'm guessing there may be a fresh round of debate and some people may change minds.

Also, could you just post up about a day in advance what poll options you are going to put up? It may be useful to see if anyone has any objections / extra options before taing the polls live.
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