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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or 'death pornstars from hell versus the slut beasts of cleveland' in the running for 'best children's comic'


But I loved that comic when I was a kid!

Er, anyway, I don't really have anything to add to the ideas above, other than if webcomic creators are going to be the ones voting, perhaps they should be excluded from voting on their own comic.

I dunno.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote for Midtoon and Midtoon ends with ONE vote... If creators are not allowed to vote for their own comic, then Midtoon ends with zero votes.

If that's an ego trip, I don't dare mention the destination...

I nominate Girl Genius for best webcomic. Hands down, better than any of the "big ones", which btw, I really don't like (but thousands of readers cannot be wrong, so something must be wrong with me...

If not best webcomic, I would nominate Girl Genius at least for these categories...

Best Original Concept
Best World Building
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though the huge numbers of categories in WCCA was a little off-putting, it did allow a larger number of unknown comics to get their names seen, and meant that the big comics didn't get all the awards. So while I agree that too many categories would be a bad idea, I think the original six Novil mentioned:

Novil wrote:

Best comic
Best new comic
Best art
Best writing
Best story (long form) comic
Best comedy (short form) comic


Plus the two Midtoon just suggested:

Midtoon wrote:

Best Original Concept
Best World Building


But then divide "best art" into colour and black and white (which, after all, require different techniques in many cases), ending up with a total of 9 awards, would work.

As for who would decide... I agree that the awards should be voted on by webcartoonists who have, as Novil said, a minimum of 30 uploaded pages of comic, but I also think a judge's panel could be incorporated. I don't mean to make it overly complicated, but some system whereby the webcartoonists vote, narrowing down a shortlist of maybe 10 to one of 2 or 3, which the judges then decide upon, could work. Then the veryshortlisters get acknowlegement for being runners up, or honourable mention, etc.

Mind you, going back half a step, the 30 pages thing might cause trouble, since a random reader could draw 30 pages of a rushed pencil comic, upload it in a block, and have a vote, while a newcomer with 25 brilliant pages released one page a week, on time every week, wouldn't have a vote. So perhaps a time limit should be applied too - 30 pages minimum, for at least 4 weeks, for example - to prevent people from doing that. And then perhaps have special considerations for newcomers with 28 or 29 pages, if those pages clearly took longer than an hour or two each.

Might I also suggest having roles for people like me, who don't have uploaded comics but do get involved in the community here - something ancillary, uninvoled in the decision making but still involved in the whole thing.

I'm really liking the idea of TWCL awards; it's a real shame nothing's been happening on WCCA this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to be off topic, but what exactly is this SPQR thing? I mean, I know the original meaning of that acronym (I do Ancient History), but I keep seeing it in people's sigs, and for some reason I doubt you're that interested in the senate and people of Rome.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wendyw wrote:
1) The creator (artist and/or writer) of a webcomic with an archive that consists of at least thirty strips and has been updated for at least the last six months ago. Special exemption will be made for comics that have been going for less time if they follow a now discontinued comic from the same author.

Man, tough rules! One of my man-size pages is the equivalent of thirty strips! Smile

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2) An active member of TWCL community for at least one year with a post count of 200 or more. Users who have registered over a year ago but did not post until less than a year before the awards will not be allowed to nominate comics unless they meet the criteria for part one.

Heh, wouldn't that rule out Novil on two counts (join date, # of posts)? And me on one count (join date). Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would need proper discussion, organization etc, but I'm all for it and Ash gave us the green light as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I suggest we time the "ceremony" to coincide with the Oscars, at least roughtly. That's generally the award-giving time, and anyway, we can then have a definitive date each year for when something counts as a new comic - if the awards are in February, the new comics have to have been started between Jan 1st and Dec 31st of the previous year. I have a feeling WCCA did something along these lines too?

Then we can begin nominations around October or November, end them on January 1st, at which point voting begins, ending on February 1st. Judges then make their decisions, and the "ceremony" stuff gets sorted.

This will also give us a few months to plan the whole thing and put it into action.

Another point that should be brought up is what the ceremony would actually consist of. Now, the WCCA had artists draw the nominations section, which I reckon worked quite well, though at times seemed a little patchwork. I like the idea of multiple artists drawing "and the nominations are" comics, but perhaps give them a certain format so there's a certain amount of uniformity, while still having variety.

Another option is to have one guest artist to do all the nominations comics, though this would put a huge workload on them.

Alternatively, we could scrap the whole nominations strips entirely, and simply list them with images from each comic, chosen by the creators, and one artist draws "and the winner is" comics for each award - two or three panels, perhaps using two or three characters for the whole thing.

Finally, we could do a mixture of both - guest artists for each nomination strip and another for the winner announcement strips. This would involve a wider variety of artists, but would produce a problem getting hold of artists to do this stuff. How would we chose who does draw a nomination or winner strip? Do we ask a prominent artist for the winner strip, and ask for volunteers for the others? What about quality control - if someone volunteers and is really eager, but their art isn't great, what do we do? Or what about if someone from a big-name, small on art comic volunteers, like the xkcd guy? Do we say "thanks but no thanks", or just go with it?

I suppose every part of organising this will cause problems to arise, but I reckon we're a good enough community to be able to come up with a model that works.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, yes, the same background would work well, and save the artists time as well.

I think what we should start by deciding is who wants to be involved in organising this, and to what degree (after all, everyone has different commitments and different skill sets) and go from there. So I'll start a new thread for signing up for the organising committee.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. And it sounds less clique-ish.

All in non-caps? I quite like how it looks, even if it's not grammatically correct.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As ttallan brought up in the other thread, where are we chosing the judges from? Just here? Or outside as well? There are some prominent webcartoonists we could ask, whose participation would certainly gain us publicity if they've got the time to commit.

So let's just set out what needs to be discussed and decided upon.

1. How the competition will be judged - everyone can nominate and vote, only webcartoonists, or a mixture of webcartoonists and judges.
2. If we're limiting either the nomination or voting list, how do we chose to limit it?
3. If we're using judges, how do we decide who they will be? Do we keep it in TWCL or ask outsiders?
4. What sort of time scale are we looking at? Coincide with the Oscars or the Beacon or whatever?
5. How do we decide which comics go from the nomination stage to the voting stage, and how many comics then get shortlisted?

Is there anything else that can be discussed at this stage? Perhaps we should have new threads for some of these topics.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, good point. Nice one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LukeSurl wrote:
...another month to actually build a working site...


Hmm, there's a point. Where will the site be? Will Ash let it be part of the TWCL site? Or will it be better to host it off-site? And what will the awards actually be called - is "the webcomic awards" too generic, as Wendy suggests, or will it suffice? We'll need to decide this before getting the website sorted.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttallan wrote:
Since I don't think anyone really wants to sit through thousands of strips/pages/updates just to review one comic, I would suggest you limit the judgeable content to one calendar year. So for example, you'd nominate a webcomic based on the body of work from 2009, January through December. Or July 2008 to July 2009, whatever. Thus, to qualify for nomination, a webcomic must have been around for at least one year (and, possibly, also have a minimum number of updates, like 50 or something).


Good idea. Judging on previous work could be damaging to the comic's chances if they've improved significantly and, as you've said, time consuming.

Might I aslo suggest that comics are eligable if they've constantly updated for a minimum of one year (except the new comic category), at a minimum of one page per week, and must not have been on hiatus for longer than 2 months in the 12 month period we're counting (assuming ttallan's suggestion is implemented).
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I assumed it'd be a prestige thing, rather than any actual prize. Like the ancient Greeks got laurel wreaths for winning at the Olympic games - worth nothing, financially, but the fame and honour led to sponsorship and influence. But as Zoe said, exposure is what nominated and winning comics will really get out of it.
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