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[iaviv]

Casual Notice wrote:

As for advertising, there's advertising and then there's misleading. I odn't really concern myself with color/BW, but there are a few ads out there that stretch the leeway one should give to advertising (one comic in particular consistently shows full-color "examples" but the link leads to a simplified line-art comic that would be at home in a small-town paper in the 70's with none of the characters or hilarity of the ads).

Or ads with close up on boobs. That's also pretty annoying.
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[Marscaleb]

iaviv wrote:

"90% of webcomic ads use artwork straight from the comic itself?" Not even 15%. Count again.

I'm willing to call you on this.
Though it should go without saying that I'm not talking about those little button ads that don't give you enough room to show any artwork, so they just a title or something. Reasonably this argument excludes ads which cannot showcase artwork.
Or perhaps you are counting "word of mouth advertising" or signatures that say "read my comic" or the like?
Counting those are the only way I can even imagine that you could get that low of a figure, but even then I'd have a hard time conceding so much as 50%.
So yeah, I'll call you on this one. Let's take a look at ads people use for webcomics and see how many use artwork straight from the actual comic and how many create new art for their ads.

iaviv wrote:

Or ads with close up on boobs. That's also pretty annoying.

Agreed.
(But to be fair, they usually are not misleading as toward the actual contents of the comic, so I don't hold *that* fault against them.)
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[iaviv]

[quote="Marscaleb"]

iaviv wrote:

"90% of webcomic ads use artwork straight from the comic itself?" Not even 15%. Count again.

I'm willing to call you on this.
Though it should go without saying that I'm not talking about those little button ads that don't give you enough room to show any artwork, so they just a title or something. Reasonably this argument excludes ads which cannot showcase artwork.
Or perhaps you are counting "word of mouth advertising" or signatures that say "read my comic" or the like?
Counting those are the only way I can even imagine that you could get that low of a figure, but even then I'd have a hard time conceding so much as 50%.
So yeah, I'll call you on this one. Let's take a look at ads people use for webcomics and see how many use artwork straight from the actual comic and how many create new art for their ads.

I go through every site I advertise or don't advertise on and I see their ads (those that have ads, some don't advertise on but only offer ad space) and their comics. This is not made up. Look it up. It's not hard. And I don't see why buttons are excluded - they too have art from the comic sometimes, not just titles. You can choose to either put your title or a drawing and it seems that it's about 50-50 of what people choose to do. I do both. I use whichever one whenever I feel like. Also, when I say "art from the comic" I mean the actual comic. Not a pin-up or a cover. An actual drawing from a panel from the actual comic. You hardly ever see those, and in some cases you see a revised drawing from a comic (for instance, colored, drawn all over again, etc.) A lot of people also use animation, which, in most cases, don't exist in their comics.
There's a whole lot of misleading going on, but you're still somehow missing the point. Ads supposed to grab your attention to check the comic out. It doesn't matter what the ad was! I don't even remember any ad I ever clicked on (that's right, not even one), I only remember the comics I liked enough to come back to.
Give it a rest, seriously. I'm not going to comment on this any further. It's pointless, obviously.
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[sadbacon]

I've been drawing my whole life but I've only really put together 3 comics. I've read a ton though. I just want to say this thread has provided me with some interesting insight into what annoys people and I'm taking notes. I'm curious though, are most people in this thread (or forum in general) comic creators themselves? If so, I wonder what the annoys the casual consumer of comics and if it aligns. I mean, one who is passionate and creates tends to be more critical in analyzing works similar to their own. I'm reminded of this every time I watch Top Chef and they're trying food. The critics taste the food and say something like "it would have been better if she had made the matzoh ball out of the rye bread" and then the camera switches to a casual foodie diner eating the same thing and they say "I ate the hell out of it cuz it's the best matzoh ball I've ever had!"

[wendyw]

sadbacon wrote:

I'm curious though, are most people in this thread (or forum in general) comic creators themselves?

Most of the people around here are creators or lapsed creators. The forum's open to anyone, but we don't get many non-creator types stick around. : /
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[Eve Z.]

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Or ads with close up on boobs. That's also pretty annoying.

What about an add with a stinky fat guy sitting in a dirty armchair eating snax and drinking soda, with a word bubble that says 'BOOBS HERE.'... would you check that out?
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[iaviv]

What about an add with a stinky fat guy sitting in a dirty armchair eating snax and drinking soda, with a word bubble that says 'BOOBS HERE.'... would you check that out? [/quote]

Maaaayyyybbbeeeeeeee...
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[Casual Notice]

Eve Z. wrote:

Quote: Or ads with close up on boobs. That's also pretty annoying. What about an add with a stinky fat guy sitting in a dirty armchair eating snax and drinking soda, with a word bubble that says 'BOOBS HERE.'... would you check that out?

Why would that be advertising a comic and not a Seth Rogan movie?
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[Marscaleb]

iaviv wrote:

There's a whole lot of misleading going on, but you're still somehow missing the point. Ads supposed to grab your attention to check the comic out. It doesn't matter what the ad was!

You're missing my point, and that is when an ad pulls in a reader and the reader fails to find what they saw enticing from the ad, they bail. What difference does it make if an ad grabbed your attention if the comic fails to do so?
Bait and switch doesn't work if you can't get anything from it.
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[iaviv]

Marscaleb wrote:

You're missing my point, and that is when an ad pulls in a reader and the reader fails to find what they saw enticing from the ad, they bail. What difference does it make if an ad grabbed your attention if the comic fails to do so? Bait and switch doesn't work if you can't get anything from it.

In my experience most people who click my ads stick around. Most of my ads don't show exactly how my comic looks like. So there. If you have a different experience... I don't care. Your ads should work for you, not for anyone else. That's the point you're missing. You can still be "annoyed" by "misleading" ads - I couldn't care less.

End of discussion.
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[SamuraiTaiga]

At the risk of necroing what might be an old thread, I found this a very useful thread, but ... by about page 7 or 8, it started to devolve into somebody always hates something that someone else likes. I'm tempted to summarise the first few pages, but no doubt, I'd be guilty of the same subjective bias. A poll could be useful, a survey of some sort. I'd love to see that.

[ewomack]

Very true... we're delving deep into the world of subjectivity here... it would be nice to find things that 80% - 90% of all responders find annoying... we may reach consensus with music that plays automatically and can't be shut off on a webpage...
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