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Beertycoon
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KEZ wrote:
I have banned one of the ones you've listed above (belonging to a "Rado Maric") and also:

https://www.projectwonderful.com/viewprofile.php?id=8204


For geeky girl porn. Or was it porn for geeky girls? I dun really know.


haha, just checked out that site (at work, I'm such a bad boy muHAhahAHa) it's filled with geek girls posing naked and turned into Magic: The Gathering cards..
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only ever banned one person, 'cause they used a big ad that I thought was kinda ugh and it showed up a few times on Millennium's site. I'd be okay with it showing up on LF's (although it's still ugh), but apparently you can't just ban them from selective ad banners. And it never did show up on LF, imagine that.

Gonna be safe with these other guys listed. B&!

(For the record, it was No Reason I'd banned. Their skyscraper ad, or the one I saw, REALLY stands out. In ways I didn't like so much for my for-everyone fantasy webcomic. It's not bad in any other way, though. I don't even know what the site is like.)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an advertiser running leaderboard campaigns, I've found I have to start banning publishers who put their leaderboard ad spaces at the bottom of their page layouts--the campaign automated bidding can't tell that on its own, so if you aren't careful, your campaign will end up wasting all its money on buying large ad spaces way down at the bottom of pages. Bleh.

Initially I was just clicking the "remove ad space from campaign" function for those, but it doesn't seem like you can migrate those removed spaces from one campaign to another (can you? anyone know?), so I've had to go with just banning the publisher, which permanently prevents my campaigns from bidding on their site.

Looking ahead to the day I'll start selling [out!] ad space on my own site, I had been planning to go with a nice simple two-leaderboard scheme, one at the top and one at the bottom, but based on my own experience as an advertiser, I just can't do that now--the bottom one just wouldn't be fair; they're called leaderboards, people, not...followerboards? I'll just do a row of buttons or something at the bottom instead.

I suppose the real lesson here is not to do campaigns for large ad spaces like leaderboards...but campaigns are so fun, I just can't help myself. :o
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mini rant warning! :o

Pursuant to the above post, after doing a thorough check through the hundreds of bids my four current PW ad campaigns have placed recently, I'm sorry to say that I've had to ban a number of ad publishers whom I otherwise know or respect as users on this forum, because they're selling large ad spaces (leaderboards, skyscrapers, banners) far down their page, well below the bottom of their actual comic, where hardly anyone will ever see them.

This means that those ad spaces are really only worth a fraction of what their value should be for the amount of traffic the site is getting. Unless your site is so hugely popular (and you'd know if it was) that even your worst ad spaces will be filled up by hand-placed bids, then those horribly placed ad spaces will be filled up by automated campaign bids, where the buyer has no idea that their campaign is buying a space that nobody's going to see and click on.

This means that you are essentially screwing over your fellow webcomic authors in very real, monetary terms.

Not cool.

If you're doing that, then chances are very good that you are now on my ban list and will never be getting ad revenue from me again. But don't worry, there are plenty of other sucker webcomic authors out there from whom you can continue to leech money.

/end not-so-mini-after-all rant :p
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I check the site before placing a bid to see where the adbox is placed, I never run campaigns for that reason. But I do consider my fellow webcomickers and all of my adspaces are right beside the comic and or news. Cool

I haven't banned anyone yet. Maybe I'm too nice...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of comics place ads down in the news area, and all I can say based on statistically insignificant data from my own ad performance in those areas is that only a very, very small percentage of comic readers actually look down in those areas; either that or the ones who do look down there are more discriminating, and much less likely to click on ads.

In any case for my ads, the off-the-first-visible-screen news area (or any other area not immediately visible next to the comic, for that matter) has been a bad place to be.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if at the bottom of the site/below the news area is actually a better place to be, because whoever DOES see and click those ads are more dedicated to viewing more?!

lol no, you're right, it's an awful place to put ads. I don't get many hits in the first place, but I'm going to rectify my ad placement at some point... especially because now it seems like it'd be worth my while to. (I had a hard time reconciling using more than one ad in the first place, but...pennies!!)

Though I've never seen a poorly-placed ad spot that was exactly sucking out anyone's cash - it'd be profiting considerably less than other ads on a website due to its placement, anyway, regardless of pageviews.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senshuu wrote:
What if at the bottom of the site/below the news area is actually a better place to be, because whoever DOES see and click those ads are more dedicated to viewing more?!

lol no, you're right, it's an awful place to put ads.

Heh you had me going for a second there, I was like wait no is my experience just totally different from the norm here? Is the universe just WRONG??! :AO

Senshuu wrote:
I don't get many hits in the first place, but I'm going to rectify my ad placement at some point... especially because now it seems like it'd be worth my while to. (I had a hard time reconciling using more than one ad in the first place, but...pennies!!)

Let me know when you do and I'll gladly re-evaluate your sites.

I came up with an improved method for handling this last night: now, in addition to marking those selling bad ad spaces as "banned," which prevents all my campaigns from bidding on them in the future (although you also have to manually cancel any bids currently placed there, which is kind of a pain), if I check a site and its ad placements are good, then I mark the user as "buddy."

"Buddy" means that any ad they take out on your site will be automatically approved, but I plan on auto-approving all ads anyway, so in that sense buddying doesn't mean much for me. But now I use "buddy" to indicate that I've vetted a site's ad spaces and found them good. So, all I have to do is click on the "x high bids" link for one of my ad campaigns, scan down the list, look for any ads/publishers that aren't marked "buddy" yet, and check them out to either ban or buddify--much faster than having to check each and every one all the time (because I have a bad memory and kept forgetting which ones I've checked before)!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sylvia wrote:
My campaigns are so conservative that even a bottom-leaderboard would be a good deal with my standards. I place all of my reasonably-priced bids by hand.

Anyhoo, just banned my first account! Woohoo! https://www.projectwonderful.com/viewprofile.php?id=37477
It had something about how to talk to hot women. Meh.

I admit I had half a mind to ban when I saw that ad on my site. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got that ad yesterday. Obviously it's shitty but I just didn't want to ban it 'cause it pushed the ad price way up. Sad

Of course it seems to be gone now, but if it pops up on Millennium or lingers on my other site I'll probably bring down the banhammer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoe Robinson wrote:
Everyone's been talking about those ads like they've been on everyone's sites but I've not seen them. I feel left out. Sad

I would say it has something to do with your lack of a skyscraper adspace. Smile

And I know what you mean, Senshuu! Laughing I mean, that's like, TWO MORE PENNIES, PROBABLY. And I love seeing my adspace get pushed up to 60 cents a day. It makes me feel more important. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leaderboards/Skyscrapers = questionable content, but more money.
Buttons = less likely to be clicked, less money, the more you have, the less people will 'fight' to advertise on your site.

I have a skyscraper and three buttons and it's serving me well so far. From what I've seen, a bunch of small buttons only works if you're Girl Genius and people will fall over themselves to advertise on your site anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a leaderboard and a row of six buttons, and they're performing somewhat similarly (ie leaderboard earning about as much as the six buttons combined). I think if my traffic increases then the leaderboard value will go up faster than the combined buttons, but that's just a guess. I like the buttons; at first I thought having that many little images there might be more distracting than one big image, but actually it's less because the smaller images jump out at you less, and in fact they tend to form kind of a nice dash of color on the page.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Removed an ad from my site for the first time. I REALIZE the Omake Theatre one is "just peaches" but I don't find that content cool on my site.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djotaku wrote:
Omake theatre is hilarious (sometimes). But def not family-friendly.

Oh, I think it's funny too but I wasn't cool with the ad looking like... well. Not family friendly things. Razz
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