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When and why did Nick Fury become black?
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Nismorack



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another reason is this:


Seriously. Samuel L (F######) Jackson is just way cooler than The Hoff.

But most likely it was because almost everyone in the marvel universe tends to be white. (because they could get away with that back then)
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darrell31316



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Marvel's defense, they were among the first, if not the first to introduce black superheroes, villains and supporting characters, starting back in the mid 60's (Black Panther, The Prowler, Dr. Bill Foster for example).
The motive to make the ultimate Nick Fury black was not to arbitrarily make white characters black. It was to shake readers out of their complacency, to do the unexpected, which is the motive behind most of the changes seen in the ultimate line.
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Shea



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darrell31316 wrote:

It was to shake readers out of their complacency, to do the unexpected, which is the motive behind most of the changes seen in the ultimate line.


You mean like making Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch a couple? I'm pretty sure some of these are "for the hell of it" decisions.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zaron wrote:

When I see Marvel take some heroes that are normally black and make them white, then I'll believe this.

You got a point there, gotta agree.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shea wrote:
darrell31316 wrote:

It was to shake readers out of their complacency, to do the unexpected, which is the motive behind most of the changes seen in the ultimate line.


You mean like making Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch a couple? I'm pretty sure some of these are "for the hell of it" decisions.


Yeah like that, although I think more thought went into it than "for the hell of it". There is a little bit of logic to that particular decision. I think that making them lovers was intended as a spoof--or an exaggeration-- of the relationship the mainstream Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch used to have during the 60's.

In those early issues of The Avengers and The X-Men, they were portrayed as unusually close siblings, so inseparable that even then it made you wonder about them. You never saw one without the other. They did everything together, whether it was joining the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, quitting the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, joining the Avengers, quitting the Avengers and on and on. You would have thought they were lovers the way they fretted over each other's wellbeing.

By the 70's the two of them were portrayed as more independent (and more "normal"). But it's their behavior during the 60's that (I think) gave rise to the idea of making their "ultimate" counterparts lovers.

Sorry, I probably went way, way off topic. I'm kind of a fanboy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering what had happened with Nick Fury when he turned up as Samuel L Jackson in the first Iron Man Movie my reaction was WTF (I grew up reading Marvel comics in the 70's and Nick Fury was always this white bloke with a full head of hair) then I found out that the change was done in the Ultimates and they based the new version in the comic on Samuel L Jackson, it was a bit confusing to start but Sam Jackson is definately better than the Hoff
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The story goes that they wanted to use SLJ's likeness for Nick Fury in the Ultimates, and Jackson's deal was something akin to, "I'm okay with this, but if there's ever a movie version, you call me up first." (obviously this was post-Hoff)

I can't remember if it was Mark Millar or Bryan Hitch or both who had the weird brainstorm to basically make Nick Fury be Samuel L. Jackson, but there you are. Millar at least does seem to do a lot of things purely based on cool factor.

I still dream of that alternate universe where there was a bitchin' Nick Fury movie starring Kurt Russell. Barring that, the Avengers was the first time I felt like I was watching Nick Fury the character and not just SLJ. The look is different, but 99% of what I've always loved about Fury was there, and I was duly pleased.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought Kurt Russell would have been perfect as Nick Fury, the way I heard the story was that Marvel usesd SLJ's likeness without permission and when he was told about it he contacted Marvel and said he didn't have a problem as long as they cast him in any movie, pretty much boils down to the same thing
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Old Herb



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New onset of blacksploitation, maybe.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Because I thought the only GOOD thing about that film was the casting for Kingpin.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, I think Michael Clarke Duncan was PERFECT for that part.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asian Dr. Doom could work pretty easily.

You just relocate his fictional country.

I honestly think people get waaaay too caught up in this stuff when they argue that changing a nonessential physical characteristic is bad for the character.

Unless being part of a particular group is important for the character (such as Wonder Woman being a woman, or a character being part of an opressed minority), who cares? And since most characters drawn by western artists default to "white dude" because of societal privilege, it's usually not important enough to matter if you gender or race flip them to something less common.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traegorn wrote:
Again, I think Michael Clarke Duncan was PERFECT for that part.


Agreed. Kingpin SHOULD be one massive mother&*^%er. MCD fit that bill perfectly. I liked him in the role and thought he was just fine in what was otherwise an awful movie.
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