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topjimcomics



Joined: 10 Sep 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject: "Social Rejection" =) Reply with quote

I'm needing some pity comfort. I'm only on weekly updates, and I put one out yesterday, and so I think it's normal to expect that yesterday and today would be my largest "visit" count. Now I know I'm not a pro, and I don't expect to get thousands of visits, but I'm just bummed. Out of 88 Facebook followers (mostly friends), 375 Facebook friends total (I share updates of course), 140 twitter followers, posting updates on 3 different webcomic boards, and deviant art in 3 groups, I've managed to pull in 29 total visits.

I'm not necessarily bummed that I don't get clicks from forums and social media of people I don't know, but man, I can't pull in more than 29 clicks from people I know, ouch!

Any ideas?
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mcmasters



Joined: 28 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep your head up. You get more hits than I do if that helps! Even if nobody sees it, you're being a producer and not a consumer. Produce something that satisfies you and be happy with it. I haven't given too much thought to strategies to maximize attention for mine, I think if I do it will be a waste of energy and only lead to frustration.

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topjimcomics



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips. I decided early on that I wasn't concerned really with being "successful", it's more the wonder why so few people I really know will even click on my updates.

There are too many people out there WAAAY more talented than me (like you, now I'm hooked on your comic =).
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topjimcomics



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the fresh perspective, ttallan, I appreciate it!
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ewomack
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Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one I know personally reads my comic. A few friends used to, but they seemed to have stopped. Or if they still do they no longer mention it to me. And I don't talk about it with co-workers or in social gatherings - I don't want to come off like a salesperson amongst friends. If any of my family have read it, they've never mentioned it to me. So you're not alone.

For me, I've found friends and family to be the least interesting or objective critics anyway. Usually they just tell you what they think you want to hear and then quickly ask you to pass the syrup and change the topic. Though real friends will tell you if they hate it to your face, but it still sucks to hear it. The first unsolicited compliment from someone you have never met will make up for any silence from your immediate social group.

Just keep at it and enjoy it. The proportion of internet comics fans to comic sites has changed dramatically in the past five years, so expect tough competition (i.e., there are now more sites for roughly the same amount of fans). Plus, it can take years to build up even a small following (except for the very lucky) and with some of the recent image search rule changes it may be even harder now. If you enjoy it, do it. If you don't, then do something you do like.
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Bill Murphy



Joined: 22 Aug 2012
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't suggest or plan for people I know to read my comic. If they don't read comics, then I don't plan on them reading mine. I never ask them to show me pictures of their day job. Wink

As for having 300+ followers, here is something that might be happening based on a conversation I had with my father...
Only my father out of my entire friends and family take the time to read my comic. And even he misses my Facebook updates.

"Bill, are you still doing your comic?"
"Dad, I have three updates a week. Don't you read your Facebook notifications?"
"Sure, but I have over 330 friends. By the time I get on Facebook I'm not about to scroll down and read everything."

So you might be getting lost in a sea of other posts. Try sending out more than one notification per comic. Your friends should understand. Very Happy
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Justinfh



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got nobody checking out my Facebook fan page, I get about 1 or 2 likes on my comics, and I get less than 1O views a day. How do you think I feel?
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topjimcomics



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: "Social Rejection" =) Reply with quote

afterthedream wrote:

Get a signature on this forum that links to your comic! I was all like... I know that feel, bro... I'll check out your comic. But then I didn't know what your comic was or where to find it.


Does anyone know how to do this? I send a PM to wendyw, but the last forum post discussing signatures was in 2010 I think...
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topjimcomics



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Nate the Robot

This is what I'd like my signature to be, except the banner would be the link...
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nsanelilmunky



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Facebook won't do you too much good. They changed the way that updates/posts are selected, so those that watch your page(s) will only get a percentage popping up in their home feed. And even then, it's not 100% of the people who get the sporadic posts. This is also a percentage. They'd have to go onto your page and manually select to get your posts as notifications to get all of them.
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topjimcomics



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nsanelilmunky wrote:
Facebook won't do you too much good. They changed the way that updates/posts are selected, so those that watch your page(s) will only get a percentage popping up in their home feed. And even then, it's not 100% of the people who get the sporadic posts. This is also a percentage. They'd have to go onto your page and manually select to get your posts as notifications to get all of them.


I've wondered that. I knew it was that way for my page, but I was hoping at least a decent amount of my friends would see it from my own share, but maybe that is just a false assumption.
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argylefox



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I have a few things to say:
First, I think 29 clicks is a pretty okay number (unless you are after money - then what are you doing drawing webcomics?). I usually get so much less than this (except the last coupla days - the Sarah Zero Sex Drive got me over 1800 veiws! woohoo!).

Secondly, don't be too bummed by what you get one day. We update every Monday, but Tuesday is our big day, as everyone knows that we update 'sometime' on Monday, which means anywhere up to midnight. So tey com on Tuesday to be sure.

Thirdly, how do people know about your comic? is it all word of mouth? You will be lucky for that to take off. To really pick up views, you need to advertise. One way to do that is to paste your website everywhere. I agree with making some link in all your posts. it may only get a couple, but who knows when you will get the magical viral connection.

BTW, I read somewhere that these are 'temporary' forums, since the main ones died. You must email someone to change your sig. I am too lazy for this, so I just type out:

-Max of Indifferently Evil

(so give us a link to your site, as afterthedream said - it helps, a little!)
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topjimcomics



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A fun statistic in regards to someone's comment about Facebook being an unreliable way to disperse information. I posted a "question" on my Facebook page where all people had to do was click an answer if they saw it. In 24 hours, it received 4 clicks. So I went over to a co-worker's desk who is a friend of mine that rarely ever uses Facebook (but "Likes" Nate's page), and he checked his feed. Nothing, that post wasn't there. So then he clicked on the Pages feed from the left sidebar. It showed one Nate update, but not the question. The only way he saw my post was to click directly on the page! I knew it was bad, I just didn't know it was THAT bad.

However, one of the most confusing aspects of this is my page manager says 108 people saw this post. Since I only have 92 likes, and the page is public, I assume that somehow more people that DON'T like my page saw my post than people that do? Way to go, Facebook!
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Gar



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to be a common trend that close friends and family members of cartoonists tend not to read their comics. Very few people I know in real life read my comic on a regular basis. Heck, my own family don't read it.

I think the psychology of it is fairly straightforward: The comic is important to you, it's important to you that people read it, therefore reading your comic is a favor to you. Basically, they can't read your comic without imagining you watching them read it, and that creeps them out a little bit.

Don't take it personally. People don't relate to entertainers the same way they relate to friends, so it's easier to avoid that disconnect than it is to reconcile it Smile
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