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Justinfh



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Bad Art, But Good Story Reply with quote

Do you know any Web comics with bad art but have a great story? Also, what's your opinion on such Web comics?
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Traegorn



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a difference between "bad" art and "simple" art too
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the art works for the story, then "bad" and "good" become kind of fudgy terms. No one would probably think XKCD was "good" art, but most would probably think it works really well with the strip. But maybe "bad" artwork is artwork that doesn't look like any thought went into it? One could argue this until their neurons all popped...
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Marscaleb



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather read a comic with bad art and a story I love than a comic with amazing art and a story that doesn't impress. Also, replace "Story" with "humor" as much as you want and it remains true.

A comic with bad art and a good story? (Apart from my own? ba-dun-dun kish!)
Hero in Training.
Okay, the artwork NOW is pretty good, but it started off tremendously bad. He even remade the first chapter or so later, (and that remake has terrible art,) and when I look at the stuff that wasn't remade I am flabbergastered at the thought of what the original first chapter must have looked like.
But the story was interesting to me, so I kept reading it. There are a number of comics with much better artwork that I cannot say that about.

If you just want good art without a good story, then just spend your time looking at pictures on DeviantArt. If you want to read a comic, you want story. (And/Or humor.)

I believe someone mentioned this earlier, but there's also a matter of being able to tell what is going on. I would say this is a third category, separate from both artwork and story, and this is critical. A comic could look fantastic, a story can be great, but if you're not sure what just happened, it is all for nothing. This quality is independent from the skill in artwork; it's about knowing how to portray a scene. People don't talk about it much because it is thought of as being second nature, and it is really hard to define and give examples for. But this is in fact more important than actual drawing skill.
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Uncle Greedy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traegorn wrote:
There's a difference between "bad" art and "simple" art too


That's the most important point in it that's often completely missed today.
(Ok, the best "simple art" are the paintings in Altamira and Lascoux that can easily competete with the best of modern art.)
As example for good "simple" art in comics/ cartoons, look up Gahan Wilson and his fellows in the early New Yorker, or Loriot, Don Martin, etc., even the art of Haegar the Horrible, that can't competete with those in any way, but works fine for it's jokes. (Some are pretty lame, but there are also some really funny ones.)
For animations, some of Max Fleischers art looks "simple" (I don't speak of his groundbreaking rotascope effects), but are brilliant, and the best example of good but extremely reduced art ever is La Linea, that almost looks like something made with an oscilloscope. This is "simple", but good (because reduced to the essential), while many of the new cartoons I sometimes see (but not watch) on TV are not "simple" (as they sometimes mix up 3d animations with completely flat characters), but simply so bad that it is almost painful to look at. Even the worst of the Warner Brothers (the later TV-productions) looked better. The annoying thing is that they are not even "underground", but commercial (and mostly digital made) productions that fake the look of drawings made by childs with behavioural disorder in a very obvious way.

simple but good = reduced drawing
just bad = stereotype reproduction of real or faked dilettantism

P.S. I would agree that there are surely some examples of "authentic" bad art that have their right of there own.
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Justinfh



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vulpeslibertas wrote:
Uncle Greedy wrote:
productions that fake the look of drawings made by childs
I hate these things. This sort of false humility is obnoxious. I don't care if the art is simple, but at least try to make it good within the best of your ability.

You don't have to make beautiful art, you don't even have to make decent art. But please don't make art which is intentionally ugly.


Well, I've done a very comic strips that I'm gonna upload that are intentionally ugly. Sometimes good, bad, or a change in art can be apart of the story.
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Justinfh



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vulpeslibertas wrote:
Justinfh wrote:
Well, I've done a very comic strips that I'm gonna upload that are intentionally ugly.
Karma's going to get you, dude.

No, I understand if there's a point to it, or even if you just plain can't draw. But if you're going to spend a few million dollars on a production team, can't you at least have them produce something that doesn't intentionally make the eyes bleed? It's the slick corporate equivalent of saying "hey, we're not a slick corporate production studio, we're amateurs just like everyone else".


Let's put it this. I've done a comic strip that I will upload tomorrow. In my comic, I'm saying, "if you think this Web comic is bad. It could be worse. Then I draw horrible stick figures. The point I was trying to make is that my Webcomic isn't that bad.
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Clint Wolf



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak to the quality of the story since I haven't really read it, but "Not A Villain" (http://navcomic.com/) seems to have garnered quite a following despite having pretty simplistic art. It's also barely two years old so it's not a longevity thing.
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Marscaleb



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clint Wolf wrote:
I can't speak to the quality of the story since I haven't really read it, but "Not A Villain" (http://navcomic.com/) seems to have garnered quite a following despite having pretty simplistic art. It's also barely two years old so it's not a longevity thing.


Yeah I'm surprised at how well that comic has grown. Not just in terms of audience, but also in skill.

The first few pages are poorly drawn, as far as skill goes, but it was also evident that the artist was trying (I want to say "her" but I don't know for sure) best and that there were some intentional artistic flaws.

For example, the context of the comic is that it takes place in virtual online world, and the main character, at one point or two, is being portrayed in her Avatar that she drew herself. It looked terrible, and to pull of that look the artist drew her left-handed.

Additionally, the particular looks of some comics are determined by other aspects in the story. Many pages look simple because the server is using simple graphics. Once they were on a server that displayed only in black-and-white.

So a lot of the "poor art" is by intent. But even so, I'm also impressed by how well the artwork has grown.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:51 am    Post subject: Hi. Reply with quote

Thanks....
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Keirajasmin



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of the ones I attempt to make.

That and some really odd ones that I once loved but didn't bother to save the links of.

I always wanted to make comics, I'm a great drawer and story plotter, but I also get annoyed very easily. I've never been able to finish a comic panel of art...or even a full book. Razz
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Plisners



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends whether you mean poor quality or just not suited to to the comic. Having said that, most of my attempts could be classed as poor Wink
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nsanelilmunky



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first pages of Darken weren't that great, but they improved greatly over time and the story was awesome.

No Dice I think fits here. The earlier stories were really not great at all, the current ones aren't that great either but he's improving. The stories at interesting at least.

The first pages of TwoKinds also... though, I'm not sure if I'm really into the story or not. It's borderline. It's a furry lovestory, so... yeah.
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