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takoyama



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:57 am    Post subject: Who is voting for comics anyway Reply with quote

okay so I have a web-comic that I recently made and I voted for it like the day when web-comic votes on a particular site is supposed to reset. i voted at 12 am to make sure i would be near the top of the list, the next day when i go back to the site the number one comic has about 100 to 600 votes. who is voting for these comics i know some comics have a large fan following but come on those numbers are a little hinky. it is very hard to get people to vote for your comic even if they like it so something is wrong





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Chilari
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe I read a statistic somewhere that 2-5% of readers would spend money on a webcomic's merchandise or a print copy, etc. Voting requires no money and much less effort, so it's conceivable that 10% or more of readers would vote, though admittedly this figure is plucked right out of the ether. If the comic creator makes a blog post that appears right under the comic, on update day, asking readers to vote and providing a link, then it's understandable that so many people might vote on the first day after the site is reset. The creator only needs some 6000 readers to get those 600 votes; and if they don't frequently ask for votes, they might get an even higher percentage. 6000 readers is a solid following, but not above what you might expect - some comics have 25,000 regular readers and I'd not be surprised if big comics like xkcd and Penny Arcade had even more.

So much as it is frustrating to not have as many readers as other comics, that's probably all it is; I doubt anything is really wrong or dodgy.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to sign up on all the voting sites. ALL of them! For "exposure"! Because that totally works guys

It took me a ridiculously long time to realize that was a dumb idea. Definitely not worth the time, at any rate.

Signing up to a couple might be okay (if you can make a push on TWC it might actually make a difference), but yeah. Don't do what I did.

On that note, I used to vote for the handful of comics I checked religiously (especially in 2006-ish), and even a bunch of ones I checked less often (because I read so manyyyy), but with less time and in some cases less incentive, I've found myself less likely to vote. And, with the comics I still keep up with, more willing to promote in other ways (twitter eff yeah).

Voting's easy, but that still doesn't mean people will do it if it seems pointless.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miluette wrote:
I used to sign up on all the voting sites. ALL of them! For "exposure"! Because that totally works guys

It took me a ridiculously long time to realize that was a dumb idea. Definitely not worth the time, at any rate.


Eh, there's what, 10 or so active listing sites out there (being generous on active)? Signing up takes maybe five minutes or so. Do I think it was worth an hour of my time to have gotten a trickle of hits off of them in the time since I signed up?

Yes. Yes I do. It was free and I don't have to put any further effort in. Now if you don't like having to have their button on your site as part of the reciprocation, I understand that, especially when one goes AWOL (having that issue with Taversia right now). But I never understand the "this takes too much time" claim. Unless you're going crazy with the incentives and such, in which case yes, that's probably not going to see a whole lot of return. Unless they're X rated.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said "not worth the time," not "takes too much."

When I say "not worth the time," I mean "If I had had any life at all I probably wouldn't have even have looked into it."

Some of the sites I signed up on gave my sites not even a single hit in years of listing. Not worth it to me, even for the tenuous mental assurance I had that it did some good for me.

For me personally, 5 minutes doing 1 minute gesture sketches would have been more valuable than investing 5 minutes in small listing websites that have never had any notable activity, lol.

(Most of the webcomic-related websites I've ever looked into or invested time into have gone down sooner or later, many before doing any lasting good, so this makes me slightly firm in what I look for now, as well. Now I wholly believe any good webcomic can make it without extraneous listings, so I say cut the fat!)
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takoyama



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:46 am    Post subject: vote for support Reply with quote

when i happen upon a comic that i think is really good i want to give it a vote so others may see it too. i always wanted to create like a mutual admiration society. like a group that would vote for each others webcomic.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any system that has voting involved opens itself up to rigging... anyone with a bajillion friends can get hoards of people to vote for their thing whatever it is. On forums and social sites I've been asked to e-vote for everything from a kid's school project to contests with monetary rewards. The person that can most successfully garner such support will win most voting contests. Not to say that all voting ends up that way, but this is the risk of using numbers to gauge "popularity" by voting.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Who READS voting sites? Reply with quote

wendyw wrote:
Lance Icarus wrote:

Honestly, who here in this thread ever found a new comic and became a fan of it through a webcomic voting site?


*raises hand*

Yeah, I mean the reason people want to be on TopWebComics is that a lot of potential readers end up there. When I decided I wanted to find some new webcomics and had no clue where to go, Googling took me there.
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Clint Wolf



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Who READS voting sites? Reply with quote

smbhax.com wrote:
Yeah, I mean the reason people want to be on TopWebComics is that a lot of potential readers end up there. When I decided I wanted to find some new webcomics and had no clue where to go, Googling took me there.


Another valid point, getting on listing sites seems to help with the ol' SEO.

According to our trackers, we get a decent number of referrals off of TWC every day. Are a lot of those bounces? Yes. But 64 people currently have it on their TWC 'favorite' list, so that's strong circumstancial evidence at least some people out there found us by that route and became fans.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still have my vote buttons up (hell if you want to hear pathetic I used to cheat on them shamelessly whenever I was running errands getting more votes from the library computers and assorted computer stores (best I ever got was to the mid 700s)) Eventually I found them to be more trouble than they were worth and the prime real estate was better filled with an adsense banner.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually had some inside information telling me that if you advertise on these voting sites (we all know which websites I mean) your stats/votes go up artificially. So, apart from the actual result from advertising. Basically, if you pay them, right away your stats/votes go up.

I'm not entirely sure if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Also, some people are very creative with voting intensives and such.

Just remember that being high on the ranks of that page has not that much to do with the actual quality of the web-comic Smile. I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is completely unrelated, but probable 70% of getting votes it is a matter of active updating, being active in your community, use voting incentives and other smart tricks to get people to vote.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Votes and stats can never replace a solid readership, but how do you know you have a solid readership without votes and stats? Though rankings are often over rated and irrelevant in and of themselves, they also remain the only gauge to see who's actually checking up on your site. The grand quandary.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rankings, no. Direct site measurement tools such as web log analyzers, Quantcast's direct measurement, Google Analytics, etc will give you information on site visitors, and much more accurately than some ranking system. What those won't tend to do as well as ranking systems is give you a direct basis of comparison with other sites.
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Varethane



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh... I too have actually found comics that I am still reading to this day through voting sites! Does anyone remember, uhh.... I think it was called Buzzcomics?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ewomack wrote:
Votes and stats can never replace a solid readership, but how do you know you have a solid readership without votes and stats? Though rankings are often over rated and irrelevant in and of themselves, they also remain the only gauge to see who's actually checking up on your site. The grand quandary.


http://comicrank.com/ this website is actually quite useful in that regard. It analyses your statistics and keeps track of returning visitors rather than just giving you all the rough data.

I think it's reasonable accurate too, although everything can be artificially influenced of course. It does also feature some ranks/list thingy but you can also just ignore that and use it for personal insight.
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