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[lonelyfetus]

Guys, please read all the posts. I have no problem with debate and your attacks on my character, just make sure you have your ducks in a row first.

This. This is what it's starting to feel like in here.

[Ace_McCloud]

LOL man thanks for not disappointing me. The only thing you seem good at doing is wasteing peoples time and insulting them when they try to debate your point. But you will probably have some smart ass response to this post as well.

[lonelyfetus]

[smbhax.com]

wendyw wrote:

Painters and illustrators can mix their own paints and inks and photographers can mix their own chemicals, set up their own darkrooms and so on, but that's all stuff leading to the creation of the work.

Yeah, but it continues throughout the creation of the work: knowing how to apply the paint or take the photo to achieve the image you're after involves no small amount of technical knowledge.

wendyw wrote:

Websites are one of the things that come after and in a way seperate from the creation.

Not for most comics I've seen! It's pretty rare as far as I know for someone to compose a complete comic series, and only post it online once each and every page is done--as far as I've seen that pretty much only happens when people are converting their composed-for-print work to webcomic format. For most comics I tend to see the web site evolve while the author is also working on creating and posting the pages week by week. And I'd even be surprised if most people, when starting on a new comic, didn't already have an idea of what they wanted the site to look like as they're composing the very first strip. It seems pretty unlikely to me that someone would start working on something intended for web display without having given any thought at all to how they're going to display it. Even just picking the pixel dimensions of your first page would usually mean that you've already been thinking about how it's going to be placed and read on a web page.

wendyw wrote:

Generally artists let someone else handle the exhibition of their work, in a building they didn't design, where it gets sold by someone with a better understanding of business and how to convince rich people that their work is worth a lot of money.

Well, I think there's always been a lot of art whose sale takes place outside of an art dealer environment: stuff sold by artists at art fairs, by word of mouth, direct commissions, etc.

And even if someone does get their work into a gallery, it certainly behooves them to have an understanding of how the selling of art works--as detailed an understanding as possible, if they don't want to get fleeced by dealers. And even if they don't get down to the nuts and bolts of the sale, the very preparation of the work itself almost certainly requires having thought about how it will eventually be sold: when you pick a subject and style you'll usually be thinking--at least to some small degree--about how the final product will be or might be presented, framed, shown, and for who. Generally the artist wouldn't just be throwing something together and only after it's all done have the revelation that oh! this might end up on a gallery wall, I wish I'd thought of that before I assembled it on this lovely but totally unmountable frame.

And to take an extreme example, if it's an installation piece--a mural, say, or a sculpture for a particular location--then you're absolutely thinking, very intently, of where it's going to be and how it will be displayed, even before you start sketching out the first designs.

And anyway, thank goodness, it is intrinsic to the nature of webcomics that for anyone with net access, close to average intelligence, and a reasonable amount of desire, they do *not* require a third party like a dealer or a supreme technical expert or whatnot; how many of us would even be here now if they did? If you can use a paint program or a scanner well enough to produce a decent digital image, then you're probably also going to be capable of managing to get your comic a site, even if you just go with, say, a stock template on SmackJeeves or something--no actual middleman--aside from the free hosting service of your choice, bless their bytes--required! Hurrah for webcomics!

And wait, we were talking about coding. Okay right, so chances are that even if you do start with something real simple, over time, if you're really investing actual thought into your comic, you'll start monkeying with the template, just simple copy and paste stuff maybe like adding links or changing a button graphic, and behold and lo, you're a coder now, in a small way. I guess there are some people out there who really do just make the comic image and hand it off to someone else who handles everything having to do with the display of said image file on the internet, but I think we can agree that it's better for a webcomic when the artist/author is involved at least to some degree in the web site stage, and I bet that if you think about the webcomics you really like, the people making the comic are probably involved in the web site to a significant degree.

You say you're all thumbs when it comes to anything involving page code, but even so, unless I'm misreading your post, you can see how it would be to your advantage to know a bit of it, right? And anyway you know enough about it to know that a link color *can* be changed, and probably should be changed to better match the intended display environment for the comic, so that's something--even you aren't totally divorced from the technical aspects of the site, because...well, probably because you care about your comic, dagnabbit, and you realize that web is a big part of webcomic.
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[Wolfus]

alquesada wrote:

LOL man thanks for not disappointing me. The only thing you seem good at doing is wasteing peoples time and insulting them when they try to debate your point. But you will probably have some smart ass response to this post as well.

Unless you actually have something interesting and comic-related to add to this forum rather than just sycophantically defending Frumph, I'd like to suggest you do not attack a member of its community. A member who has by the way, clocked up great deal of time altruistically helping many other members in the past.
If you're here to back up your internet homeboy, you're not actually helping him in front of the forum he's trying to rebuild bridges with (after this whole misunderstanding), by causing more fights with it's members.

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with his turn of phrase, Fetus has not been hiding anything in this topic. His first page is full of what he came across, as he came across it.
More importantly, whether or not Fetus is being the aggressor, you don't have to do yourself (or the people you ally yourself with) a disservice by answering back and involving yourself in arguments.
In short - You are making yourself look bad. You are making the people you are apparently intent on defending look bad.
Don't think that it's slid past anyone's notice that you created an account purely based around this topic.
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[Ace_McCloud]

Wolfus my comments were not directed towards you why have you involved yourself in my conversation with him. The same *sicopathic* behavior you are acusse me off now. So please you can tell our little tit for tat is over and we did not resolve anything much like our conversation will not be productive. Sorry you are taking sides as well. Good day sir.

[Zoe Robinson]

Dude, either get over yourself and try to actually get involved with the community you're railing against, or leave. Right now all you're doing is pissing in someone else's pool.
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[Wolfus]

alquesada wrote:

Wolfus my comments were not directed towards you why have you involved yourself in my conversation with him. The same *sicopathic* behavior you are acusse me off now. So please you can tell our little tit for tat is over and we did not resolve anything much like our conversation will not be productive. Sorry you are taking sides as well. Good day sir.

Sycophantic. Clearly you don't even know what that word means to begin with, so please don't accuse others of it.

I was not "taking sides", I was merely pointing out that you're entering a shit-slinging match with someone who actually means something to the other users of this board.
You however have turned up purely to defend someone, and are doing a terrible job of representing your "side" by throwing a text based tantrum at the people Frumph is trying to explain himself to.

One questions if you even realise you're doing it, or you're just here for the sake of arguing with people.
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[AdamC]

I'm new to the whole thing so I'm not loyal to anyone. I think all sides need to stop slinging insults at each other when the original situation has been diffused.

[Ace_McCloud]

AdamC again you make a good point. The situation has been diffused so further arguing would be fruitless. Wolfus I perfer you did not direct any further coments
ts towards me since like I said earlier nothing good will come of it and for the record Wolfus you insulted me first. Am I just supposed to lay down and take it? I would not expect you to either.

[Ace_McCloud]

Also their is no my side and yourside. We all make webcomics or are fans of them or else we would not be on this forum talking about it. I believe fiascos like this spur people to build better webcomic apps or make existiing apps better.

[Wolfus]

alquesada wrote:

AdamC again you make a good point. The situation has been diffused so further arguing would be fruitless. Wolfus I perfer you did not direct any further coments ts towards me since like I said earlier nothing good will come of it and for the record Wolfus you insulted me first. Am I just supposed to lay down and take it? I would not expect you to either.

Show me this "insult".
If you mean where I said your technique of arguing was making you look bad, then that was an (accurate) observation.
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[Ace_McCloud]

Wolfus like I said earlier I am not willing to discuss any further with you.

[NekoMusume]

alquesada wrote:

I agree with adam as usual the mindless internet hoard has made a mountain out of a mole hill. All you had to do was ask first lonelyfetus before launching your little witch hunt. It is obvious by your last comment that to you this is something personal towards frumph. So your information you keep spreading is suspect. Not to mention obviously incorrect.

One is a witch and one likes to hunt trolls, so let this hurt for the cunt commence!

alquesada wrote:

So your point Lunar Zero is that we should continue to *force* the comicpress team to develop the theme for free? Indefinitely? I am not trying to be snarky here. I would really like to know your thoughts on this. Would you continue to give your own webcomic away for free if you knew you could make some extra cash from a pay version. Again no snark intended I want to know your honest opinion. BTW what you posted above happens everyday with open source softweare people eventually find a way to coep either some body else picks up the project or it rots and people find alternatives.

One's ability to spell is amusing me as well as ones inability to understand how open source works or how to explain it.

alquesada wrote:

Lonelyfetus why is it that only now you are revealing this information and your sources? After I called you on it. Seems to me your guilty of the same thing you accuse frumph and the rest of the comicpress team of. BTW unlike you I intend no sarcasim in my statements.

flow forth the jibberish from almost virgin accounts, jibber like a jibba jabba, you jibbering exhibitionist from jabber land. joyous is the sound of the idiot, filling the world with sarcasm (missspelled sarcasm).

alquesada wrote:

Again lonelyfetus only now are you revealing certain pieces of information that you supposedly had from the beginning. Maybe you should have gathered all this information at once instead of posting piece by piece and getting people all excited over nothing.

With a curtain of custard? One always finds that custard has the magical ability to hide truth and trout sometimes haddock, but that's rare.

alquesada wrote:

Lunarzero thank you for your honest response I appreciate it. I personally would not have turned down the money to go develop webcomic but that is just me. Btw I have tried your webcomic software before and found it to be pretty good. But the inkblot theme I found a little too bare bones for me css wise. But over all it is a decent package. In the end however I went with comicpress.

All hail Load Ilpalazzo! Oh sorry you said Lunarzero, my fault, I left my glass in steel off my head, so my eyes had a hard time reading that!

alquesada wrote:

Lonelyfetus your continued rudeness is not appreciated. You are quickly losing what little credibility you have with me. If your intent is to make a point about comicpress premium and its price it is lost in your sarcastic remarks. Don't worry I won't bother you again since you obviously can not or do not want to understand the point I am trying to bring up about your attempts at fact gathering..

-lala- So tired of anarchists looking at me
don't need their credibility
"destroy," they say, "defy! condemn!"
as long as you don't destroy them
with twenty years of drugs and drink
I thought the time had come to think
about standing up and saying that
It's tragedy and such old hat
-lala-

Ohhhh you shouldn't have, I love sarcasm, where is the sarcasm, I wanna have some sarcasm or just a chasm to open up under you then seal around you, dear twit.

-Blows a raspberry while flashing alquesada-, rude enough for ya :p

alquesada wrote:

Yes it is obvious you don't care.......have a good night sir.

You don't like care bears?

alquesada wrote:

LOL man thanks for not disappointing me. The only thing you seem good at doing is wasteing peoples time and insulting them when they try to debate your point. But you will probably have some smart ass response to this post as well.

WASTING and that's my job you twit, you idiot, ass, blockhead, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, imbecile, cretin, dullard, simpleton, moron, clod; informal nitwit, halfwit, dope, ninny, nincompoop, chump, dimwit, dingbat, dipstick, goober, coot, goon, dumbo, dummy, ditz, dumdum, fathead, numbskull, numbnuts, dunderhead, thickhead, airhead, flake, lamebrain, zombie, nerd, peabrain, birdbrain, jughead, jerk, donkey, twit, goat, dork, twerp, schmuck, bozo, boob, turkey, schlep, chowderhead, dumbhead, goofball, goof, goofus, galoot, lummox, klutz, putz, schlemiel, sap, meatball, dumb cluck.

Arsehole!

alquesada wrote:

Wolfus my comments were not directed towards you why have you involved yourself in my conversation with him. The same *sicopathic* behavior you are acusse me off now. So please you can tell our little tit for tat is over and we did not resolve anything much like our conversation will not be productive. Sorry you are taking sides as well. Good day sir.

PSYCHOPATHIC BEHAVIOUR, ACCUSE,

Shes not a Sir, you wanker,

This disagreement is not private twit!

alquesada wrote:

AdamC again you make a good point. The situation has been diffused so further arguing would be fruitless. Wolfus I perfer you did not direct any further coments ts towards me since like I said earlier nothing good will come of it and for the record Wolfus you insulted me first. Am I just supposed to lay down and take it? I would not expect you to either.

Ah you don't want Wolfus to direct comments at you, so I will instead:-

Alquesada Are you or have you even been a nut job with the ability to spell of a 1 year old ape? I think you are!

Please lay down here for me run over you with a small tank, thank you.

alquesada wrote:

Also their is no my side and yourside. We all make webcomics or are fans of them or else we would not be on this forum talking about it. I believe fiascos like this spur people to build better webcomic apps or make existiing apps better.

Again you jibber, what is this, a call for allies on a forum that you are not even truly a member and that in your first ten posts you attack respected members. Face it, its not going to happen!!

In short, piss off, go home and don't come back, starting fights and all, cos to be truthful I have too much to fucking do to take the piss out of a loser like yourself.
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