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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's legal as long as you're not making money from it - fair use, you know - though I'm unsure as to whether that includes income from advertising. As for ethical or artistically interesting, meh.

I'm just wondering, did I waste my time when I wrote the huge long "Posting Etiquette" thread for this sort of thing? I mean, it was designed to help writers find artists. These threads should be like a CV for the writer. Now, I don't know about anyone else, but I've always taken great care with my CV. Ok, so a comic isn't the same as a job, but the analogy still stands.

Meh. Whatever.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anezka wrote:
It's legal as long as you're not making money from it - fair use, you know - though I'm unsure as to whether that includes income from advertising. As for ethical or artistically interesting, meh.


This is a common belief, but a mistaken one.

"Fair use" covers only a few very restricted types of uses. It does not now, and never has, allowed for unrestricted non-commercial uses of other people's intellectual properties.

Fanfic *is* illegal, even if you are making no money off of it -- unless you have permission from the copyright holder to make "derivative works".

Some authors have made public statements granting anyone and everyone permission to make non-commercial derivative works of everything they do.

But most have not.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kail wrote:
If someone does seriously come in here looking for an artist for a real project, then that would be the guy to help, but in my experience, that's also the guy who needs help the least. Posting about how a guy looking for an artist for his new Megaman Sprite Comic should learn to draw himself, post writing examples, and so on, seems like you're giving stock market advice to a hobo.


My goodness you're a cynic.
Me too. Smile

But I think that having the advice up there to be read is worth it anyway. It makes it "on record" so to speak. It gives people something to point to. Nobody can say we didn't warn them.

AND there will be a few people who will read it and learn, and probably NOT post because they realize they aren't ready, and having helped those precious few is all the more golden for the fact that it was invisible assistance.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you guys are absolutely right. I really shouldn't post when bored, lonely and annoyed for reasons completely unrelated to the forums (damn housemates never do the washing up...)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pimpster200390 wrote:
Casual Notice wrote:
Yeah, you may want to get a thicker skin if you think anyone has been hostile in here. I was laughing because you called me snobbish because I expected you to follow the simple rules (based on common courtesy) laid down in the guidelines.

Seriously, this forum is known far and wide for being too nicey-nice to be of any help to serious artists and writers. We haven't eaten you alive, we're trying to teach you to swim before you jump in the pools that have real sharks.

Exactly their not rules... their guidelines. Am not allowed to go about my life my way? Also if you really were trying to help thank you, but if i don't take your help don't bombard me with messages saying the same thing in different ways. I get it i didn't post everything you all wanted me to, I'm sorry. But seriously get over it, can this small a think really bother you?


Sure you are allowed to go your life your way, but you also gotto realise that by doing that you just need to accept the consequences for what they are instead of going into a hissy-fit when someone doesn't understand you
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

togaparty wrote:
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone enough of this bullshit JESUS
He is asking for a artist for a FAN comic, which means prob 4 fun, he is not solving the answers of the universe. ITS A FUCKIN FANCOMIC How pathetic do yall have to be to argue for the most absurd reason, gimme a fuckin break. seriously why is this thread so goddamn active- oh i know cuz its filled with a bunch of little bitches >>> JUST DROP IT IF YOU WANNA HELP HIM JUST EMAIL HIM IF NOT THEN HIT THAT NICE BUTTON ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER TITLED "BACK"


great i just added to this pathetic pansy off


so, who shitted in your cereal today?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pimpster, calm down a second. You're getting worked up over nothing. You're getting annoyed at people on the internet. Now, I learned years ago that arguing with people on the internet is a bad idea, because a) who are they anyway? You're never going to meet them, b) they might be trolling, and c) it's even more pointless than arguing with people in real life.

Let's just address the key issues here. Your main concerns seem to be that, 1. you feel you recieved a hostile reaction, 2. you feel you don't need the guidelines to get an artist, and 3. You feel your thread has been derailed. Let's have a look at how these issues can be resolved.

1. Hostility.
Now, I realise my tone in my first post in this thread may be taken as being hostile. For that I apologise. As for the others, well, I doubt they intended to be hostile - we're not a hostile forum community in the main - and you should realise that it is very difficult to convey tone in a forum post. Much of the time, tone is interpretted by the reader rather than intended by the writer. Admittedly this is not always the case, but where the tone is abiguous, I prefer to give the writer the benefit of the doubt. Reacting as you did, defensively, may then have encouraged hostility. Nevertheless, most of the posts remained constructive and helpful. Koad for example, offered suggestions which you appear to have ignored. As for CN, you'll have to ask him, but I didn't take his posts as being hostile, merely constructive. Accusing him of snobbery is as such rude and uncalled for.

You must realise, however, that as Casual Noticed pointed out, we're one of the nice forums. Head over to one of the others (I'm sure someone will provide links; I don't know them myself) and you can see for yourself how harsh they can be. This is the internet; it's how it is.

2. Posting Guidelines.
Ok, so this bit, I sorta take a little personally, because I wrote those guidelines in the first place. They are based on advice given repeatedly by the members of this forum to writers such as yourself who come here in search of an artist, and wonder why they didn't get one when all they posted was a brief, vague description of the concept without giving examples of their writing. They are there to help. Every time someone posts a thread like this without taking note of the Posting Etiquette thread I wrote, I wonder why I bothered.

Yes, they're not rules, only guidelines, but that doesn't mean you should ignore them. They are there to help you find an artist, and as I have said, they are based on advice given many times over. You want an artist? It has been shown time and again that because of supply and demand, writers really have to sell their ideas. Most artists are working on their own project, and don't have the time to dedicate to someone else's project. Casual Noticed called the guidelines "simple rules" and really, they are very simple. And if a writer can't be bothered to spend the time to follow the guidelines, what does that say to the potential artists? It says "I can't be bothered, so why should you?"

So I reiterate: the guidelines in the Posting Etiquette thread i wrote are there to help writers find artists.

Now, if you've managed to find an artist already, fine, well done. You don't realise how lucky you are. Most people don't find an artist, even some who do follow the guidelines.

3. Thread derailing
Wendyw wrote:
To be fair, this happens a lot. It's not that anybody deliberately pushes anything off topic, but things are just allowed to go that way if that's the way the conversation goes. It's nothing personal and it happens to any thread that lasts long enough.

Need I say more? This is how this particular forum community works.


Oh, and I have two more brief points to make:

First, you need to brush up on your English. "I should right my own" - no, you should write your own; "their guidelines" - whose guidelines? You meant they're guidelines. This does not bode well for you as a writer if you can't get this right. It's fixable; just work on it.

Second, fancomic. Anywhere else, that would have been torn apart completely by the end of the first page. Here it promotes debate about copyright. Consider yourself lucky. You should bear in mind that fancomic and fanfiction are not, generally, regarded particularly positively. That's why no-one I know in real life (except my other half, who can see my computer monitor from his desk) knows I write fanfic, and why I don't use the same username on fanfiction.net as I do anywhere else. You really should be prepared for hostility if you want to get an artist to draw your fancomic, because honestly, anywhere but here of fanfiction.net, you'd be torn apart.



Togaparty:
That's really the most hostile thing that anyone has posted in this thread so far. Swearing is uncalled for - you may have noticed it is a rare occurence in this board. I find it strange you created an account just to post something so unpleasant. You're having a go at us because we started to debate about various problems that might arise as a result of the original post. Pimpster doesn't own the thread, and it happened to spark discussion, so why are you so annoyed about it? You could simply have taken your own advice - if you're not going to help, which you really aren't, then don't spout off like that, click back and forget about it. Don't get worked up over nothing.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No sticky.
There's a limit to for teh lulz here, and we're reaching it.

I suggest we pretend to be grownups and move on.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thestripedone wrote:
Like Godwin's law, only with forum posts and ontopicness.


Bunch'a damn Nazis!
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