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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't if I can criticize this- there's very little here that's actually yours. it's a generic college manga rom-com, in which almost all the characters belonging to a culture which you do not belong to yourself, and are making an informed portrayal of. For God's sake, one of the girls is called Tsunami. It's like you're just picking names out of a hat.
The characters, art and writing are all clichéd and unoriginal, and there's really nothing that makes this stand out from the three thousand other such comics.

I know I sounded like an asshole there, and I apologise, but there's really nothing to be said for a comic which is as generic as this.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well thats your opinion, even though its not helpful or constructive at all. Next time you should learn to be less of a jerk to people who are new to writing comics.

Well, I'm afraid that's my point- there is very little that can be done for this strip. It is, at it's heart, very generic, and there is little hope of making it stand out. Improvement is possible, of course, but your basic premise is far to limiting and over-used to make this into something significant.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't make a comic- to be fair, you're work so far is better than most such strips- but you'd need to revise your basic premise. I've nothing against manga, Japan or college strips, but you have to try and take a more unique approach.
It doesn't need to be a huge leap, either. Take CONvicts, for example. At a very basic level, it's fairly run of the mill- it's a manga-esque comic about two nerds and is full of pop and geek culture references. But the situation they are in, trapped in a huge, never-ending convention, is original, and so, properly executed, makes for a very good comic. A single good idea like that can serve to set your comic apart from the herd.
Basically, I'm saying that this isn't really your comic, which I think is a shame- webcomics are the perfect place to do something interesting, original and unique, so to limit yourself by sticking to such a used premise is really limiting your potential as a comic creator. This may sound unpleasant, but, basically, my recommendation is that you start over with a new idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manuverse wrote:

i have been experimenting on improving my anime style as you can see in some of the newer pages of the comic. I also intend to go back and revamp older installments of the comic, once i have the time.


If there is one piece of advice I can give it's always move forward. Tobias(the artist) wanted to do the same for Coffee Time. It's just a bad idea. The old stuff has served its purpose and redoing it is a monumental waste of time. What you have in store for the future is more important.

Plus, the cronicle of crappy art to greatness is always cool to see.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manuverse wrote:

Your comments are confusing me, because i do break away from comman cliches...

Non-clichéd and original are by no means the same thing. And that assumes that your comic isn't clichéd, which I feel it is.

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While the perverted idiotic main character is somewhat cliche i made all the other characters unique in one way or another (usually in many ways actually). Infact a romantic emo kid with an S&M complex, a hippy chick, a clumsy niave wannabe cook (terrible cook. yes. clumsy cook. no) and a badass, potty mouthed, swordfighting, rulebreaking, sex crazed, drug craving, western rock obsessed punk girl who happens to like adorable little kittens are fairly original for manga (and probably comics in general)(i've read/watched over 500 manga/anime so i know what has been used and what hasn't).

Just because you happen to use a set of stereotypes in a context to which they are ever-so-slightly new doesn't mean you are being original.
Just because you give characters shallow attributes like "S&M complex" doesn't mean they're anything more than clichéd, unoriginal"emo" stereotypes.
If you can break out of the shell you've built for yourself, I'm not just talking about "manga" here. Making a "manga", an ambiguous term if there ever was one, doesn't give you free reign to use clichés and stereotypes just because they haven't been drawn that way before.
And, on top of all that, so what? A few semi-original characters do not make an original comic. The art style, the plot amd the main characters are nothing that hasn't been seen before. At it's heart, this comic shows very few signs of original thought.

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Another big thing in this comic is that contriversial topics such as drugs, alcohal and sexuality play a major role in both the story and the humor. I also have other twists in the story and in the characters, but to reveal them would be spoilers.

Err... I really don't know how to explain how out-dated your world view is sounding right now.
Drugs, alcohol and sexuality are no longer inherently controversial issues. If you treat them in a certain way, they may be seen as such "But I'm gay and I drink and also here are some drugs" is no longer guaranteed to make your work cutting edge.
Besides, since when was that unoriginal? Sex, drugs and alcy-hol have been a subject of art for centuries, particularly the last 40 years. Music, literature, movies, art, even comics. Nothing new there.

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Also this IS my comic. Most of the characters (except Shado, Tsunami and Evan) share personality traits of my own... and most of the gags and events (except the serious or romantic sequences) are based upon experiences i had in college/highschool/life. So please don't start about the content not being mine.

So why is it still a clichéd college rom-com manga? I'm not accusing you of stealing content from elsewhere, in fact, the very opposite- I'm saying that the very premise of the comic is, fundamentally, very generic, and, no matter how much original content is layered on top of that, it will still be very generic.

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My comic is only in its beginnings. I spent over a year researching Japanese culture, designing unique characters and writing a plot that would be different from every other comic in its same genre. The story is just beginning to pick up and the characters are just beginning to develop. I do promise you that the comic will be unique and will stand out from the others of it's genre. However, I refuse to be discouraged or to scrap this concept, just because one person out of my already high number of readers says it is cliche and generic, based upon its genre, style, and setting.

Well, I'd like to think so, but past experience has, as you may have guessed, left me cynical, bitter and generally pessimistic. Who knows, you could well do something original with this, but I fear that your basic premise is just to limiting to make this, at it's core, much more than another version of the same stuff we've seen again and again. Genre style and setting are important, especially when you have picked such limiting ones- a science fiction story, even one which starts generically, has a huge scope for advancement. A college rom-com, by comparison, does not. Even if the events or are characters are technically distinct, it'll take huge effort to make it truly stand out. Every snowflake is unique, to commandeer a handy image, but they still all look the same.
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