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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there at least one ad service that caters to adultish comics/sites? If not, maybe the market's just too small to support one.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mooncity: Most adult sites are membership funded, so the business model is a lot different. The failure rate is insane.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm kind of contemplating this issue recently, since my comic, while not explicit, might have some nudity in it - in part because the culture I'm depicting doesn't have the same taboos as, say, America. But I also want my comic to be accessible to anyone who wants to read it. Blah.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

halflight wrote:
I'm kind of contemplating this issue recently, since my comic, while not explicit, might have some nudity in it - in part because the culture I'm depicting doesn't have the same taboos as, say, America. But I also want my comic to be accessible to anyone who wants to read it. Blah.

One option for this that I've seen done is the main page has a censored version of the comic and you'd have to click away to get the NSFW version. Honestly though, if the nudity is tasteful I wouldn't bother with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

halflight wrote:
I'm kind of contemplating this issue recently, since my comic, while not explicit, might have some nudity in it - in part because the culture I'm depicting doesn't have the same taboos as, say, America. But I also want my comic to be accessible to anyone who wants to read it. Blah.
Your intended audience should dominate the comic. You are not presenting another world, you are presenting a portrayal of another world. You are holding up the window, it is the audience who projects what is on the other side.

As an author, it is your job to provide the signals which will inform the readers what they ought to be seeing. Sometimes, I think especially Americans, we tend to get overly obsessed with realism and accuracy, when that's not truly what we're after (which is usually believability, and not the same thing as realism). There are ways to present any subject in an inoffensive way to any audience. You don't always have to depict an action to depict the fact that it occurred. If you actually want to avoid drawing nudity, you can have it off screen, and just have your on-screen characters react to it, or have the characters discussing the event, and show their reaction (or lack thereof). You just give a nod, the audience will fill in the graphic details to the extent that they're willing to see them.

That's assuming you want to avoid the issue. On the other hand, if that's what you're audience is coming to see, then by all means show extra detail.

cobramcjingleballs wrote:
Anyone sick of these places being so vaguely anti-adult that you can't even mention sex? (or even joke about it? geez)
Not to be all in-your-face-dude, but, seriously, you have a comic which is essentially called "dirty animal porn" which is about an oversexed anthropomorphic animal who commits occasional sexual acts, including what you label as "rape"...and you are surprised that they want to censor you. You seem... intolerant of the kind of thing where you have to put up with websites full of intolerant people who don't want to put up with your kind of thing. And you are complaining about it on a website. Oh the irony. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sick of the crappy censorship of the web. My webcomic does have some cursing and it covers topics that most companies try to avoid, but I haven't come anywhere close to touching on things that Tosh.O, Half of HBO and Showtime touch on... and yet they still get people to support their shows.

The censorship being displayed is terrible. I was rejected by gamestop to become an affiliate... they said my content was too Adult for the audience... The same day I got the rejection letter Gamestop had an add for Saints Row the Third up on their site.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am sick of the crappy censorship of the web.

Are you sick of web censorship, which you consider crappy, or are you sick of the crappy job the web does of imposing censorcship?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That isn't even censorship--you can say what you like on your own site, but that doesn't mean other people have to endorse it by partnering with you.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smbhax, that definitely is censorship. Everyone else must not only positively affirm your life choices, but they must work hard to enable your decisions, or else they are being small-minded. Obviously, since we're open minded, all good people agree with us, and only bad people disagree with us.

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Seriously, though folks, I don't really care what you put on your website. Do what makes you happy. Do cute orc porn on a webpage dedicated to the glories of the Nazi party if that's what you want to do. Really, I'm of the school of thought that the more of everything, the better. But if you have the right to demand what other people* must or must not post on their websites, then they have the right to demand the same from you. Censorship begins at home.

*Of course, recognition of this basic fact of equality has led censors to claim that others were somehow less equal than other people. This, largely, would seem to be the cause of derogatory labels, which, doubtless, breeds more censorship.

**I guess they'd have to be blue-eyed blonde-haired orcs. hmmm. yeah.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smbhax.com wrote:
That isn't even censorship--you can say what you like on your own site, but that doesn't mean other people have to endorse it by partnering with you.


I disagree.. it is hands down censorship by a company. It is also internet censorship.. the reason.. because it is everywhere on the internet... Just because my site doesn't sit well with the person who wrote your terms and conditions doesn't mean we can't be affiliated. I have been rejected by 25 different companies because they believe my site is too adult for the viewers.. we are talking game companies that sponsor games that are rated M. It is censorship at its finest...

If you only use the word in conjunction with your own site then you are lost.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They aren't actually doing anything to stop you. You are perfectly free to keep posting your page. You are perfectly free to hire advertisements, if you can find a service which will host them (If tomorrow you suddenly find an ad service which posts your material, are all those other companies suddenly free from the burden of "censorship"?). You are perfectly free to just go to other websites and ask to post a link to your comic, without an ad service at all. You are perfectly free to start your own advertising service which caters to whomever you want. The only thing you are not free to do is to force other people to publish material which they, for whatever bizarre reasons they may have, do not want to publish. Frankly, I find the freedom not to post other people's information against my will to be quite liberating, even if I am finicky and capricious about what I will and will not post.

They aren't censoring you any more than you adult comics are censoring religious speech against pornography and crude language. I hear it that none of you "adult" sites, not a single one of you, are posting serious information about the evils of crude language. Are you censoring them? Are you forming some kind of conspiracy? Or are you simply a bystander, whom they have a grudge against simply because you don't share their preferences?

The fact that these game companies which have M rated games don't want to publish your stuff would tend to indicate that it's not really the maturity rating of your comic, but something else they are objecting to. Frankly, I wouldn't expect any professional gaming company to partner with an ordinary lone webcomic artist who contacted them out of the blue. They probably took half a look at your website, realized you weren't Marvel or DC, and decided "Oh, um, yeah...you're website's too ...uh well... too magenta for our customers".

Also, on that note, just because something is "adult" or "mature" doesn't mean it's all in the same category. Schindler's List, Crack Whore Spankin' III, and pictures of decapitated bunny rabbits on napkins are all "Adult", but they aren't all quite in the same class. You comic may be mature in a sense that that company doesn't feel is quite in the same vein as what they're going for. Or perhaps they think the censors are on to them, and they're trying to shake the heat off, and they suspect that partnering with you might be a strike against them.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but this is NOT censorship in any way, shape, form or capacity.

Simply not wanting to affiliate with you doesn't qualify as actual censorship. Nor does not accepting your site for an ad network like PW. Basically, they feel your content is pervy, and they simply don't want to touch it. That's NOT censorship. Real, actual censorship is a very, very, very, very different thing.

Reading over your complaint here, I was reminded of that old Shakespeare quote. Something like, "The fault lies not within our stars, but in ourselves."

Dude, the fault lies not with Gamestop or PW, but with your comic and its content. It really, truly IS that simple. Look at their TOS. It says right there they reserve the right to turn away content they don't feel is appropriate. That's up to them, man. They aren't "censoring" you. They have zero obligation to accept your ads if they don't want to. There's no law or anything that says just because they have an ad network that they MUST accept ads for your site.

Maybe, instead of bitching about it, you should get together with other like-minded "victims" and start your own ad network. Then folks like yourselves with sites that other ad networks have perceived as having pervy content will have an alternative. Then you can accept or post all the ads you want, pervy or not, and maybe make a few bucks as well.

Lemons into lemonade, man.
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