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[nothinghappenedtoday]

This has been getting a lot pf press here in the U.S. Just wondering if any of you are participating. Here's a wiki on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

and here's the facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day/121369914543425?ref=ts&v=wall
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[Tskingdom]

As I realized I can't post the pic I was actually thinking of;


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[R(ed)]

STOP THE TRAIN!

So the Choice Awards page has been deleted for not being notable, my favourite musician has no page because he's only popular to web-geeks and machinima artists and an Internet Meme gets its own page?

Where's "draw fellow forumites naked" day ffs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_RLY%3F
OK, maybe I stand corrected. Wikipedia just failed to Uncyclopedia a point more.

Because I always type with a stupendous introductionary paragraph and a more serious content:

I don't see the point of just drawing Mohammed as some sort of vain attempt at free speech protest. If it's a protest at Islam, there are slightly more powerful (read hateful) messages that could be used, if it's a protest against political attitude towards the situation than there are political methods available. Ironic that Islam and its attitudes have existed for so long and it's only NOW that people are starting to give a fuck. Perhaps these people should visit where I live, they'd shit themselves!

"OMFG THEY GONNA KILL US ALL!111!!!"
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[Jardel]

"Let's offend people until they stop hating us!"

A pussy variant of:

"Let's keep killing them until they stop hating us!"

If only there were actually half as many Islamic extremists in mainstream society as the world images there is, then this would at least be an exercise in Darwinism.

[vulpeslibertas]

I feel it's more an expression of "You can have my free expression when you pull it from my cold dead hands."

It isn't so much the actual number of Jihadists as it is the number of innocent cartoonists they've slaughtered.

It should also be pointed out that "Let's keep killing them until they stop hating us" is essentially what Jihadists actually believe. Actually, more like "Lets keep killing them until they worship our God and do everything our way".

"Let's offend people", while perhaps idiotic, is a substantially more moral position than killing people. It's also a punch in the face to petty control freaks. I mean seriously, getting offended because someone not of your religion drew a picture of your prophet? Heck, I'm going to start getting offended and threatening people's lives when they draw pictures of the American flag. It's offensive to my national beliefs. Let's see someone defend that.
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[zedhatch]

Ok the reality is they have threatened people with bodily harm. Its the same as if a fundimentalist Christian threatened a cartoonist for a picture of Jesus. Really its just stupidity that feuls that adittude.

And although this is not the first time this has happened, this is probably the stupidest which is why its getting the attention its getting. The second any fundementalist threatened the creators of South Park for nothing more than a stupid joke, yeah sorry I consider myself tolerant, but only to a degree. No one's life should be threatened for a joke no matter how bad of taste it is (I mean if those Scary movie things can keep getting made and those guys don't get death threats everyone should be safe).
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[Traitorfish]

vulpeslibertas wrote:

I feel it's more an expression of "You can have my free expression when you pull it from my cold dead hands."

That's how I interpreted it. The idea seems to be the creation of such a vast horde of Muhammad cartoons that it becomes impossible to target every responsible individual, so that any reprisals- threatened or actual- becoming ineffective. By raising the number of "Muhammad cartoonists" into the thousands, even millions of thinly spread, unconnected individuals, it becomes impossible to eliminate or intimidate them as a group. As such, it makes a statement of solidarity in favour of freedom of expression despite threats of violence. A vague statement, perhaps, and the particular mode of expression makes one wonder how widely applicable it will actually be, but, in principle, it seems sound.

It seems, thought, that the original instigator has since disassociated herself with the event. She says that it's simply become far grander and more overblown that she had expected and that a lot of the content is far more offensively and blatantly anti-Muslim that she had expected. I can understand her motivations for doing so- particularly given the nature of the thing- but you have to wonder exactly what she expected to result from this sort of thing. Even if it didn't go viral like it did, it was never going to be anything other than contentious.
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[deanrankine]

Basically it will upset a whole stack of people, who aren't Jihadists, and haven't done anything to deseerve being hurt.

[Jardel]

This protest would make some sense if depictions of Mohammed were a taboo unique to Jihadists. However it's not, it's a general taboo that goes across most of Islam with varying degrees of assertiveness but all taboos being based in a form of respect for their figures.

Thus, doing it with the deliberate attempt at mocking people who are against it while claiming it's about standing up to the Jihadists is just another form of bigotry. I'm being generous and filing bigotry under stupidity instead of evil.

If you believe in actual freedom of speech then you believe that Jihadists have the right to state that people should not create depictions of Mohammed. They have the right it should be a crime and they have the right to call for boycotts on countries that don't agree with them.

Say what you will about Jihaddists and hardliners in Islamic countries (who don't necessarily support Jihad, just Sharia Law being the state law) but at least these people have the balls to put themselves up in the front lines. They live or die by their own beliefs (and this is admittedly a lot easier for them to do if they're male in an Islamic country, but they're still choosing to live in a society where they can receive brutal punishments for what we consider non-crimes).

The people in this group are cowards who want to offend millions from behind the mask of anonymity that the Internet and a crowd provides. They have this fantasy that they can attack a religion as a whole and this will somehow deeply hurt that Jihadists (who will put this down as one more reason to hate people that already hate) but not have to have an awkward moment with any muslims in their own neighbourhood.

The end result will be that Jihadists and hardliners will have one more example of how The West hates them to use next time they talk about why they should not conform to modern standards and more moderate muslims will put it up as another example of bigotry against their religion, shake their heads and carry on.

vulpeslibertas wrote:

I feel it's more an expression of "You can have my free expression when you pull it from my cold dead hands."

Aside from the obvious question of "what about everyone else's freedom of expression?" (like the freedom to express you think Sharia law should be the state law) I bring to them the question of "And what are you doing with your freedom?"

Doubtlessly some of them will draw a generic Arabic dude, some of them will draw a Sikh because they don't know the difference, many of them are noted for just drawing something defamatory/insulting and labelling Mohammed, the group itself using a promo image depicting an Arabic terrorist.

Personally, I feel that if this group were the civil liberties group it claims to be an not just a hate group then their iconic image would be of Mohammed looking at a cartoon and essentially saying he's not thrilled about it but doesn't think it's anything to get upset about.

Because that would an actual statement in support of freedom of expression and non-idiotic. I could also get behind someone making a comic about the life of Mohammed and defending their right to depict him in that, or creating a stupid cartoon highlighting the unnecessary tensions and issues the taboo creates when applied to non-muslims (ie South Park).

Just attacking a huge group because I disagree with what their extremists say, stirring up their extremists and letting other people try to deal with them (people who actually are in the front lines like soldiers, diplomats, missionaries, etc) and then going back to playing World of Warcraft so I can brag about it in my guild channel. I can't really see any justification for that.

I don't think that it should be banned, outlawed or offenders put on a list. I don't think we should condemn everyone who's depicted Mohammed because of the actions of these people and I don't think anyone has to agree with me. I just think they're spoilt brat idiots who deserve criticism rather than support.

[kafine]

That sounds needlessly antagonistic.

[TBROtomo]

kafine wrote:

That sounds needlessly antagonistic.

Isn't all trolling though?

[jaybob81]

I believe that it is rediculous to get so upset about a drawing, regardless of what it depicts. I don't personally care what your religion states about it, or what anyone feels required to do about it, getting butthurt over a drawing is silly. Write a letter. Or draw a silly picture of Jesus as revenge.

But ffs, don't threaten to kill someone over it.

And if we come up with a funny idea for this, I will participate.
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Nonsense!

[wendyw]

TBROtomo wrote:

kafine wrote: That sounds needlessly antagonistic. Isn't all trolling though?

Who was trolling?
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[Traitorfish]

Jardel wrote:

Doubtlessly some of them will draw a generic Arabic dude, some of them will draw a Sikh because they don't know the difference, many of them are noted for just drawing something defamatory/insulting and labelling Mohammed, the group itself using a promo image depicting an Arabic terrorist. Personally, I feel that if this group were the civil liberties group it claims to be an not just a hate group then their iconic image would be of Mohammed looking at a cartoon and essentially saying he's not thrilled about it but doesn't think it's anything to get upset about. Because that would an actual statement in support of freedom of expression and non-idiotic. I could also get behind someone making a comic about the life of Mohammed and defending their right to depict him in that, or creating a stupid cartoon highlighting the unnecessary tensions and issues the taboo creates when applied to non-muslims (ie South Park).

It is unfortunate that the whole thing has been misappropriated by Islamophobes. Even if the cartoons themselves didn't make a statement, and you just ended up with a million and two pictures of a middle-aged Middle Easter man c.600, you'd have a statement worth making; in fact, I'd consider that preferable, because then it is purely about drawing Muhammad, and not about drawing cartoons of Muhammad. But, as it is, it's just an excuse for thousands of people to act like bellends with some extremely loose politically justification, which isn't really what I think the original creator intended at all.

Still, a world where someone can be shot and decapitated on the way to work in a free country for happening to disagree with certain other citizens of that country is a fairly messed up one. Can't blame people for wanting to take a stand, however ill-considered it was.
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[Wolfus]

This entire idea is horse shit.
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