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[quote="jdalton"]An "under-appreciated comic," in my experience, will by definition not succeed in any kind of vote. I vote no. It's way too difficult a thing to define.[/quote]
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:15 am
Post subject: Category Hidden Gem Award / Best Under appreciated Comic
Kinda off-topic but I couldnt help noticing that your posts put together look like a poem:
Which poem you liked best
Mine is fine
Wow...I can only pick one poem?
But I like so many of mine...
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:27 pm
An "under-appreciated comic," in my experience, will by definition not succeed in any kind of vote. I vote no. It's way too difficult a thing to define.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:12 pm
...and the poll is now live.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:37 pm
Just working out the poll options for the different awards.
Unless anyone has any other options to add, the poll options on Sunday will be as follows.
- Don't include this category
- Hidden Gem Award
- Best Under-appreciated Comic
- Committee's Pick Award (Not open to public nomination)
For either the first or last options to win they would have to have more votes individually than options 2 and 3 combined as these options would work the same way; they just have different names.
Anybody have any suggestions?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:51 am
I like Luke's suggestion of a "Committee's pick". I like it that even though such comics don't get named awards, they still get recognition.
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:39 am
Are we saying, "Hey, this comic doesn't get Penny Arcade numbers, but it really ought to be up there running with the Big Dogs," or "Nobody's heard of this comic much, but they should because it's that good."
However, there is no real way of determining traffic for a comic unless it has ads running on it that we can peak in to see its running traffic. Wouldn't it be kind of hard to say that all comics with a traffic level below "x" qualify and thise above it don't?!?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:34 am
even bloody CLOTHES into their own awards
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that one's not going to happen.
The problem is, at some stage in the process we're going to have to go through some form of semi-public vote (it looks like a peer-voting system is likely). If we ask people to nominate comics they think are "hidden gems", then sure, we'll get a lot of great comics we've never heard of.
But then those ones with the
nominations, i.e. those which would go through to the next round if we have one, are they the
hidden, or the
? The concept fails by its own design.
The only way you could do this is to have a jury read
every single comic on the internet.
OK, how about this: When we go through the list of nominees for best comic, and see some with a fair degree of popular support that no-one on the commitee has heard of [probably one that's rallied a small but committed readership], we'll check it out, and if liked, it can go on some sort of "committee's pick" list [jury members could be in on this too]. Not formal awards, but on the level of a kinda half-time-show of any awards ceremony.
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:19 am
Anyway, you lot will make the final decisions.
Hey, you're one of us lot too.
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:12 am
I'm the first to admit my strip's a hidden gem. Most of the responses I get from new readers are along the lines of 'wow... I should have given this strip a chance earlier when I first saw it in such and such a place' or 'where has this strip been hiding for so long?' to which my reply is usually 'right here'. Do I have any idea how this sort of award could be handled? Not really.
Saying 'leave this one cos there are too many categories already' is a bit of a cop out though, as I've read through lots of threads this morning talking about splitting art and writing and character and even bloody CLOTHES into their own awards. I'd see more value in an award like this than 'My Characters Have The Best Threads!'
How do you qualify for something like this award though? No idea. Been around a long enough time? That's more an award for perseverance, although the 'I Persevered And Still Have No Audience' is a little lame for an award.
I'd like to see something like this get off the ground because I know there are lots of hidden gems out there than don't get the recognition they deserve, and if I can be brutally honest for a moment, not everyone's strip here I would put in that category. I only put mine in that category because, like you lot who think the same, it's mine!
Anyway, you lot will make the final decisions.
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:24 pm
this category sounds like a nice idea...good exposure for hidden gems...but being able to classify and define unknown comics is way too subjective. I am against this category as well
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:11 pm
I think the problem is we are all looking for a way to have the webcomic equivalent of a "Best Indie Comic" award, to recognize the smaller names. In print comics it's very easy to distinguish between "pros" and "independents", because it's very clear which comics have been published by a big company. I don't think you could even do a "Best Webcomic with a Readership of Less than 1000 Viewers" award, since none of us can even agree on how to get accurate statistics. Best Webcomic that Isn't on the Fleen List? I dunno.
Unless and until we can come up with a really good way of defining a small-time webcomic, I vote we let this one slide.
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:43 pm
I think it’s impossible to come up with a stringent classification which comic qualifies as a hidden gem and which doesn’t. Is “One Swoop Fell” a hidden gem? It has several hundred readers a day. That’s a joke compared to “Penny Arcade”, but it also updates only once a week most of the time and its numbers are still in the top 10%...
So I am against this category.
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:56 pm
I think everyone thinks their comic deserves more attention than it gets. After all, it is their creation, their work, their precious...
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:05 pm
I was actually going to suggest this myself, since this idea was a reaction to how other award ceremonies pan out. For all I know, the TWCL awards will include a diverse range of comics, thus rendering this whole idea pointless. In fact... I'd go so far as to say that requiring this award is a sign that the awards ceremony as a whole isn't doing its job...
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:38 pm
May I suggest we leave this one for this year, but come back to it next year? That way, we can test the waters this year with regards to what we can realistically do, maybe get some feedback from the voters and nominees, and then take another look at this category and see if we have the resources to include it.
I like that idea. This one would just be hard to pull off: rigidly defining criteria would make it pointless, but having the criteria vauge would make it a messy confusion.
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