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[quote="LukeSurl"]I really don't see the advantage of this over "send email from one listed on your site" We could have an online form with fields you fill out, which then generates a block of text you can copy & paste into an email, but any complex online system is vulnerable to some form of technical/malicious hitch. I'm guessing perhaps 500 voters, with 'bout 7 categories. We'll have a fair few people counting, so I don't think this'll be a problem. Simplicity, especially in the first year, is paramount (hence why I also prefer a 1-person, 1-nomination system)[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wendyw</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:46 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Voting procedure of the nomination phase</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>KeksdabeKnink wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Ive closed most of the categories except for a few that are really close. KEEP VOTING ON THOSE</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You're sveral months late to the party, spambot.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>KeksdabeKnink</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Voting procedure of the nomination phase</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ive closed most of the categories except for a few that are really close. KEEP VOTING ON THOSE</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Rixius</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:33 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>LukeSurl wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I really don't see the advantage of this over "send email from one listed on your site" <br /> <br />We could have an online form with fields you fill out, which then generates a block of text you can copy & paste into an email, but any complex online system is vulnerable to some form of technical/malicious hitch.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />The problem is there are many ways counting emails can be completely flawed; through PHP you can send an email as if any email in the world sent it, without logging into their email account. <br /> <br />You can send an email as if from anyone from bill gates to Tim Buckly to Gabe & tycho.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wendyw</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The whole issue of how people vote is a complicated one and one that we are nowhere near sorting out yet. As far as the polling goes I'm just going to include how many votes people have. <br /> <br />The technicalities of how these votes will be registered and counted can be discussed in the public forum and I'd really appreciate any suggestions, but I think it would be best for the decision on these things to be sorted by the committee members as they're the ones who will have to make it work.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LukeSurl</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:09 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I really don't see the advantage of this over "send email from one listed on your site" <br /> <br />We could have an online form with fields you fill out, which then generates a block of text you can copy & paste into an email, but any complex online system is vulnerable to some form of technical/malicious hitch. <br /> <br />I'm guessing perhaps 500 voters, with 'bout 7 categories. We'll have a fair few people counting, so I don't think this'll be a problem. <br /> <br />Simplicity, especially in the first year, is paramount (hence why I also prefer a 1-person, 1-nomination system)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Rixius</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:33 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">A projected fix: <br /> <br />Add to the form an Email line; with a statement that it would be required for verification purposes only <br /> <br />Send a verification email to the email listed; <br /> <br />verification would be a link they click; <br /> <br />/admin would list the email as well, and you, the admins, would check for that email on their site when you're already verifying if their site meets the other criteria. <br /> <br />You would have to do the same thing through an email system; except the information would be displayed in a more friendly manner.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Chilari</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:01 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That seems open to cheating to me. Some webcartoonists have their name clearly displayed on their website, so some random could easily come along and say "I'm Tim Buckley, honest, and here are my votes, they're all for Rubbishy Pencil-drawn-on-lined-paper Comic by Fred Fredson who is awesome and wonderful and incredible and the comic is awesome," and we'd have no way to prove that he's not Tim Buckley (for example; I just picked a name a lot of people would be familiar with).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Rixius</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:40 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Original plan update.</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ok, to fix the idea I had to incorporate what you guys have been saying, here's what could be changed. <br /> <br />The voting page would be a form that would not require any log in and would ask for the following info: <br />>Name <br />>Your webcomic URL <br />>Your webcomic Life <br />>Your votes on category 1 <br />>Your votes on category 2 <br />>Etc. <br />>There would be a captcha test to prevent botting <br /> <br />And then the admins who login into the /admin will see a list of the voters(as a safeguard, only their name/URL/Life could be shown instead of the whole form; just to ensure no malice) where the admin's will confirm or deny voters based on if the voter really has a webcomic. <br /> <br />Then, the vote result charts would be able to be viewed at a separate page by the admins (ex:/admin/results) <br /> <br />Also, as a side note, I am fully confident in my ability to code this system; as I wouldn't be suggesting it otherwise.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Lavenderbard</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:33 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I like 3-2-1 and top 3 (probably in that order.) <br />I actually find that *easier* as a voter than just picking one. <br /> <br />I'm willing to count votes and/or verify site address references or whatever.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Chilari</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:57 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yes, registration on a site would discourage a lot of potential voters, so the email system would probably work better. As long as we have a system to verify that they're eligible to nominate and vote - a link to their site in the email, and the email they're sending from clearly visible somewhere on the site, for example - I think it'd work perfectly fine. Just make sure the nomination and voting rules are clear and easy to find on the award site. <br /> <br />And as I have said before, I'm happy to help count votes and nominations and verify voters.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Zoe Robinson</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:27 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>wendyw wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">So you're thinking combine the registration and nomination stages.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Basically, yes. It needs to be easy for both the committe and the voters.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wendyw</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:26 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">So you're thinking combine the registration and nomination stages. <br />Fair enough. That makes sense.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Zoe Robinson</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:25 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Novil wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">If people have to register for voting, you’ll get probably 20 % of the votes if they would just have to sent a mail or (even easier) fill out a html form. People generally hate registering at websites to do something.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Agreed. The way I see it, if I have to ask to take part in voting and then have an account created by someone else (who from my point of view may or may not allow me to take part), I won't bother.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LukeSurl</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:02 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think the easiest thing to do would be to request that people send their nominations email from an address that is listed on their site (making sure to tell us where we can find that adress listed. (instructions for creating a disposable email address included for the security paranoid) <br /> <br />The advantage for this is that, for the voter, it's a one-step process, no waiting for validation. <br /> <br />I don't think we have anyone on board who technicallly has the ability to create a secure online web-voting form - and such a system has the capability for catastrophic faliure.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Novil</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:48 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If people have to register for voting, you’ll get probably 20 % of the votes if they would just have to sent a mail or (even easier) fill out a html form. People generally hate registering at websites to do something.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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