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[quote="mooncity"][quote="Casual Notice"]I would suggest a format similar to that used on the Tonys and the Oscars: Nominations are open to anyone even remotely related to webcomics. A comic has to receive five nominations to even be considered. The nominations committee (panel of judges) narrows that to 5 finalists. Those 5 finalists are subjected to a vote by registered members of the TWCL forum (whohave to have accounts before date x to prevent slamming).[/quote] Are we or are we not considering the Big Dogs for eligibillity? I vote no, only because I'm a little bitty pup myself.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wendyw</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:35 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>LukeSurl wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br />"A miniumum of 30 pages/strips in 2009 is required for entry. The committee will condider on a case-by-case basis exceptions to this if the amount of work per update is evidently far in excess of the norm <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal">(the committee's decisions are final and no correspondance will be entered into)</span>" <br /> <br />Which is slightly more rigid, but would involve more contentious decisions by the organisers.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I like this option.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LukeSurl</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:02 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">How about... <br /> <br />"Juries will be encouraged to consider the consistancy of an update schedule and the volume of work produced in the past year as a factor when considering candidates. Those nominating comics are invited to do likewise" <br /> <br />It's fuzzy, but the issue is a grey area. <br /> <br />or <br /> <br />"A miniumum of 30 pages/strips in 2009 is required for entry. The committee will condider on a case-by-case basis exceptions to this if the amount of work per update is evidently far in excess of the norm <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal">(the committee's decisions are final and no correspondance will be entered into)</span>" <br /> <br />Which is slightly more rigid, but would involve more contentious decisions by the organisers.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jaygee</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:31 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>wendyw wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">How about a minimum of four pages per month?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />How is "a page" defined? To illustrate this: <br />Let's say there's a long form comic which updates at a frequency of one page per month. This page contains 4 strips @ 5 panels...Now let's say there's a more cartoony site that updates at a frequency of one strip @ one panel once a week...means, and with regard to above "page per time unit criterium", the long form guys despite offering more material per month wouldn't be eligible...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wendyw</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:41 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">How about a minimum of four pages per month?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jaygee</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:58 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Chilari wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Might I aslo suggest that comics are eligable if they've constantly updated [...] at a minimum of one page per week...</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Not sure about this one. What about people who update once a month only, however, with 5 pages per update...?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LukeSurl</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:37 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>funnyninjas wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">We talk about the "Awards" but what exactly are the awards?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />It's not inconcievable that one or two cartoonists might donate one of their books or something like that...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Chilari</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:36 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I assumed it'd be a prestige thing, rather than any actual prize. Like the ancient Greeks got laurel wreaths for winning at the Olympic games - worth nothing, financially, but the fame and honour led to sponsorship and influence. But as Zoe said, exposure is what nominated and winning comics will really get out of it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Zoe Robinson</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:33 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>funnyninjas wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">We talk about the "Awards" but what exactly are the awards?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The chance of more readers; better exposure; a nice little banner to put on your site and people linking to you?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>funnyninjas</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:31 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">We talk about the "Awards" but what exactly are the awards?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Chilari</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>ttallan wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Since I don't think anyone really wants to sit through thousands of strips/pages/updates just to review one comic, I would suggest you limit the judgeable content to one calendar year. So for example, you'd nominate a webcomic based on the body of work from 2009, January through December. Or July 2008 to July 2009, whatever. Thus, to qualify for nomination, a webcomic must have been around for at least one year (and, possibly, also have a minimum number of updates, like 50 or something).</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Good idea. Judging on previous work could be damaging to the comic's chances if they've improved significantly and, as you've said, time consuming. <br /> <br />Might I aslo suggest that comics are eligable if they've constantly updated for a minimum of one year (except the new comic category), at a minimum of one page per week, and must not have been on hiatus for longer than 2 months in the 12 month period we're counting (assuming ttallan's suggestion is implemented).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ttallan</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:09 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Since I don't think anyone really wants to sit through thousands of strips/pages/updates just to review one comic, I would suggest you limit the judgeable content to one calendar year. So for example, you'd nominate a webcomic based on the body of work from 2009, January through December. Or July 2008 to July 2009, whatever. Thus, to qualify for nomination, a webcomic must have been around for at least one year (and, possibly, also have a minimum number of updates, like 50 or something).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wendyw</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well, Ash gave it the green light as a Webcomic List project so I'd assume there'd be no problem with it being hosted on the site.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Chilari</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:01 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>LukeSurl wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">...another month to actually build a working site...</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Hmm, there's a point. Where will the site be? Will Ash let it be part of the TWCL site? Or will it be better to host it off-site? And what will the awards actually be called - is "the webcomic awards" too generic, as Wendy suggests, or will it suffice? We'll need to decide this before getting the website sorted.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wendyw</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:49 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm personally against using a generic name for the awards. The Webcomic Awards to me sounds both bland and a little bit egotistical, as if it's the definitive article. <br /> <br />To us The Webcomic List is mostly this forum, but it is primarily a comic listing site, and a well established one at that. Personally I don't see how it can be at all harmful to have the awards named after it. <br /> <br />As for what comics should be allowed to enter. All of them that have been going long enough and have enough strips. The only logical limitation I can see is to exclude the comics of judges and the people directly responsible for running it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>LukeSurl</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:15 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">1. How the competition will be judged - everyone can nominate and vote, only webcartoonists, or a mixture of webcartoonists and judges. <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I like the idea of a jury - or perhaps several juries for different awards. However it is not feasible to expect a jury to judge every single comic that puts themselves forward. The idea someone mentioned earlier of webcomic-creator voting to produce a shortlist seemed quite nice, and probably workable. <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">2. If we're limiting either the nomination or voting list, how do we chose to limit it?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />You mean those eligable to vote, right? I guess anyone who is involved in creating a webcomic which, as of [date] has [X] updates <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal">(any exceptions to this rule will be considered by the committe. The committe's decision in such matters is final and no correspondance will be entered into)</span> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">3. If we're using judges, how do we decide who they will be? Do we keep it in TWCL or ask outsiders?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Tricky. As long as we're not asking them to do too much work I recon we could get some quite respected names from comics/webcomics. I'd steer clear of having many, or perhaps even <span style="font-style: italic">any</span>, people from TWCL forums as this leaves us open to allegations of insularism (esp. if someone from the forums wins something). <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">4. What sort of time scale are we looking at? Coincide with the Oscars or the Beacon or whatever?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Of the top of my head, I guess it may take one month to decide on format and all that, another month to actually build a working site, another month or two for intial nominations and for sufficient publicity to go round the relavent spheres, and then 1 month each for each round of voting/judging. <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">5. How do we decide which comics go from the nomination stage to the voting stage, and how many comics then get shortlisted?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />In most awards final shorlists are somewhere in the 4 - 7 range. Your other question? Not sure. <br /> <br />Is there anything else that can be discussed at this stage? Perhaps we should have new threads for some of these topics.[/quote]</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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