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[quote="JohnK"]Good thing I want this comic to be black and white. hehe I'll make sure and take your advice in also seeking artists out rather than just posting on message boards. That sounds like a great idea. Especially since I have a pretty specific look in my mind. It'd probably be better to find someone who is already doing it rather than trying to mold an artist. That's not very collaborative. I have to make sure to spend some time at Deviant Art going through available artists. Thanks![/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JohnK</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:31 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Honestly, I'd like to put the pen down on this one soon. I've put a lot of time into it and feel it's almost there. There's too many other stories I'd like to write, ya know? <br /> <br />It would definitely be an easier sell to an artist, but anyone interested is welcome to read the script.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mcmasters</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:48 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Say John have you considered writing it out as a novel? If it gets published or even if you self-publish that would surely make it more attractive when pitched as a comic.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JohnK</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:55 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thanks for the reply Jerry. I think you're right about the story section. A little more detail wouldn't hurt. <br /> <br />In the philosophy section, I'm not quite sure I see what you do. I think it is pretty clear in stating that it is an anti-authoritarian comic, and unless you have the same attitude you may not be interested. I'll look over it again. <br /> <br />Thanks again.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mcmasters</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:54 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I think it's a very straight-forward presentation. I didn't see any warning flags that you usually see in this kind of proposal- you know, the one's where you think "Geez, if you can't write a post, how are you going to be able to write...?" <br /> <br />There isn't enough revealed in the story to get me salivating (if I were an artist considering the job) but I suspect the problem is you don't want to throw too much out there if you feel you have a really original or interesting premise. Understandable, and I don't have an answer. I would say it's enough to make me contact you to get a fuller summary and some sample chapters. <br /> <br />The philosophy section concerns me a bit. It reads a bit quirky, as if you're dancing around something. "The story doesn't push a certain ideological agenda...except it does!" My understanding is the story is going to have an anti-big brother mood, and getting involved with an artist of opposite inclinations could be a headache later. Could be. But anyway my two cents is the "philosophy" section isn't as clear as the rest of your proposal. <br /> <br />Good luck! jerry <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.mcmasterscomics.com" target="_blank">www.mcmasterscomics.com</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JohnK</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:48 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thanks for the kind words. I've never had to do this so I was a bit nervous about selling myself and the project. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Also I think ideally to capture the accuracy of the location, unless you yourself live there you'd want an artist from there.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I do live in Reno, so if I don't get an artist from here, I can take lots of pictures for them. I originally did want somebody from here, but i don't even know where to begin to look. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">How long page-wise do you expect the whole thing to be?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Now that's a detail I should have definitely put in there. I've got one more edit to go through to fill in missing details and what not, but I also want to have this device that happens outside of the Acts that helps to tie things together while also adding a bit of paranoia and mystery. That will probably add about 15 pages. I don't want it happening after each Act. I have to write it out and see what I think. <br /> <br />In the end the comic will be at least 275 pages. I want to have it done by the last week of May. That will be a good solid two years I've been working on it. Damn.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Aglari</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">JohnK: Looks like a good pitch to me, certainly piqued my interest. <br /> <br />How long page-wise do you expect the whole thing to be?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Metruis</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:42 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Sounds like a bang-up pitch to me and I wish I did more noir work because you sound like the kind of person who'd be awesome to work with. <br /> <br />I'm a painter though and I've never really given black and white a go. Oh well! <br /> <br />Also I think ideally to capture the accuracy of the location, unless you yourself live there you'd want an artist from there. There's a comic out there, I forget its name offhand, it's a black and white comic about mental disorders. The creator is from Saskatoon, Saskachewan, and I didn't know this, but when I read the comic I knew it was a Canadian comic, and a few chapters in I stopped and went 'wait, I know that place' and sure enough. I had been there before. <br /> <br />And I feel like that's what you want. And need. <br /> <br />Should be pretty badass. Great pitch.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JohnK</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:27 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Okay, so here is a rough of what I'm going to use to search for an artist. If anybody has any advice for me it would be much appreciated. Too much? Too little? Please let me know. <br /> <br />Thank you. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />THE BLACK WALL <br /> <br />STORY: Twenty years have passed since the World Trade Center was attacked on 9/11 and America has become a much changed place. Hank Mitchum has spent his years outside of the military wandering from state to state, job to job, until his mother’s death brings him back to Reno, NV where he grew up. It is here that his eyes open to the reality of a changing society far removed from the pre-terror world where the presence of the state was felt much less. <br /> <br />Hank becomes intertwined with this world when his old military friend Mark Stern offers him a job within the security-industrial complex. The chance at easy money from an easy job has Hank saying yes no matter what his qualms are. At the same time Hank meets a young prostitute that he saves from the brutality of a Federal security Agent, but also loses to the alienated, violent world that has come into being in the waning years of empire. <br /> <br />Though Hank has suspicions of the business his friend Mark is in, he must decide between exposing conspiracy or showing Sara the way to personal freedom. <br /> <br />PHILOSOPHY: This is not a story that lies within the confines of mainstream ideology, and it is certainly no friend to the authoritarian state as it exists right now. I don’t believe this story has a right or left direction as it focuses in on the corporatists state, the police state, and the surveillance state, and how personal freedom and civil rights work within a world that accepts these dangerous conditions as normal. While my personal ideology falls somewhere within the anarcho-libertarian world view, I can’t see a liberal who understands the importance civil liberties having problems with the presentation. I only mention philosophy because I don’t believe a partnership on this project could survive without being up front about it. Any artist that signs on will probably have to be on board with the ideas presented. Unless you’re an extremely open person, I just don’t think it could work. <br /> <br />ARTIST: I’m looking for somebody who is as serious about their art as I am about writing. I’m not looking for a beginner or a pro, but somebody who is where I am, ready to make things happen with a strong project. I’ll be up front, I can’t pay a lot per page, but I definitely don’t expect anybody to do this for free. I’ve personally had it very good for a long time with my other projects, but that dynamic isn’t the norm. I don’t take skill or time lightly. As a writer I understand the thousands of hours you have put into your work and I will put forth the best price I can. <br />Any earnings will be a 50/50 split after what has been paid up front has been earned. <br /> <br />ART STYLE: I may envision the finished look of this comic one way, but you may read the script and see something else entirely. This is actually the most exciting part for me personally. Here’s how I see the comic: Black and White, heavily influenced by noir style comics, with the gritty look of films of the 1970’s. After reading the script, you may try to convince me that this should be sparsely colored or full-colored and that we need a colorist. It may be the case that my idea of how this should look is very unoriginal and you have something much stronger to offer. I want to hear it! I can’t wait to hear it. <br /> <br />Now the look of the world is very important and I don’t think there is much compromise here. It is the near future, but America has never gotten out of its economic depression. It’s a future of two worlds. One where we are getting used to the facts of stagnating prosperity, but also where we still spend and vacation and try to live the dream of the consumer. It’s a world of Disneyland and depravity, the past and the future, smartphones, drones, pimps, and pushers. While most of the story takes place in poorer areas, we will see the slick future that we are always presented with in movies, but in far out of reach places for the average person. <br /> <br />MY WRITING STYLE: The style I’ve developed over the years is pretty straight-forward. I don’t think there is an industry standard for comic writing, and if there is, I’m not sure where I fall. I used to write comics in a very episodic fashion, but I have completely dropped that with The Black Wall. This story is structured through acts and scenes of varying lengths. I don’t write them in print comic length. I don’t believe a story(especially one appearing on the internet) should be that confined or structured. I am very detail-oriented and describe the character’s mindset and atmosphere of the locations at the head of each scene. The pages of the scene are broken down panel by panel with description of the action and feeling that should be presented within the panel. I also like to use a lot of symbolism within the visuals. <br /> <br />I don’t want to come across as a control freak. I’m very much into the artistic partnership aspect of comic books. I also understand that you are trying to interpret written words into a visual medium in a very limited space. Things will obviously change from script to fully drawn page. I try to conform one scripted page as much as possible to working on one piece of paper. I may get overzealous sometimes and you need to control that. <br /> <br />PERSONAL EXPERIENCE: I don’t have professional experience, but I have been seriously working on my own writing for the last ten years. It is how most of my free time is spent, and I personally love spending it that way. It is sometimes obsessively spent that way and I have to force myself to step back from it. I have written screenplays, short stories, comics, and blogs. Right now I have three comics online. Two old, Coffee Time & Across the Way, and one current, Tales of Hammerfist. <br /> <br />The two older comics I consider a huge education for me. It’s where I really learned to do this and since I placed the dialogue bubbles in myself it is where I really learned that overwriting can ruin a page. I also learned a great deal about pacing. I used to feel that an online comic had to be more episodic, but crafted correctly I now know that they can work like any other story. Momentum in the online comic world is important. <br /> <br />The most important lesson I learned is to have a finished script. Both comics had a general direction but were largely improvised. My current project, Hammerfist, is completely mapped out and the script is about half-written. The Black Wall is 95% finished, with the remaining 5% being tweaks to details as of the writing of this synopsis. I’ve learned the importance of the artist knowing the extent of the commitment, and this project will be a multi-year one. <br /> <br />OTHER DETAILS: If you have made it this far, you might have a real interest. So lets get into some other details of The Black Wall. I would like to see two pages appearing online per week, but understand if you can only do one, or prefer to start at one to get used to the schedule. I think two would be ideal though. <br /> <br />With each Act I would like to see a release in print form, with a full book being released once the whole thing is online. The plan is to also have an e-book, and I would like to figure something out for mobile devices where you can flip through one panel at a time. This isn’t a hobby. Profits are important. <br /> <br />I only expect art for the comic, but any help creating art for the books, website, internet advertising, flyers and such would be helpful. I’m pretty descent with Photoshop, so it isn’t expected. <br /> <br />This comic will fall under the Coffee Time Comics banner. <br /> <br />If anything feels off-base within this synopsis, please let me know. I don’t mind criticism and find feedback helpful. Thank you for taking interest in this project.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AndToBeLoved</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:53 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Casual Notice wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">If you really want a good artist, you'll have to eschew internet, or "farm-raised" artists, and go out into the wilds for a free-range artist.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you're saying that you're better off looking for an artist in person rather than utilizing the internet, I'd have to strongly disagree. Maybe I'm just getting confused by your metaphors ( such as comparing an artists life-long efforts to perfect there work to that of training a dog), but the absolute best way to find an artist is find one online somewhere, contact them directly, and await a reply. If there is no reply after a few days, keep looking. <br /> <br />The only exception to this would be to seek out an artist at a convention. Maybe. Depends on the person. Depends on the convention. Strongly depends on the project at hand. <br /> <br />Contact an artist on the internet directly. It's the best way to go.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>TonyDiGerolamo</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:31 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I've found good artists on PencilJack Forums and digitalwebbing.com. Also here.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Casual Notice</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:11 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If you really want a good artist, you'll have to eschew internet, or "farm-raised" artists, and go out into the wilds for a free-range artist. You'll find them in the arts district of the nearets large-ish city (note: the arts district is not the same as the museum district--the museum district is where rich people go to look at art, and they don't want to be bothered by poverty-stricken artists harshing their Cristal buzz). Generally, you'll find a good artist spot in an old area with overpriced tenements and an abundance of unsanitary coffee shops and hilariously sinister bars. <br /> <br />Once you're there, you'll have to select your bait to catch the right artist for you. Most artists will respond to a simple shiner, or "blunt", which is efficient, but indiscriminate, and a thrashing Otaku can wreak havoc on even the most carefully maintained line. I would go with a custom rig composed of equal parts tuaca and Red Bull. Warning: you may have heard of the results people get with heroin or cocaine, but they are not as effective as advertised, and, anyway, most urban waters, especially those without strong zoning laws, have actors and musicians swimming the same pools as artists, and they will snap up the bait before the smaller, shyer artists will even approach it. <br /> <br />Artists can be trained, although you will need to devote some time and patience to the task. A rigorous schedule of positive and negative enforcement intermingled is all that is required, and not unlike training a dog, you'll find the simplest tasks the easiest to encourage/discourage (I should point out here that, unlike a dog, you should never smack your artist with a rolled-up newspaper--a number of artist breeds are genetically predisposed to see that as a reward and not a punishment, and, if you're not careful, your artist will be crapping on the floor and blowing deadlines just for the thrill of it). <br /> <br />That's really all there is to it. Although, as a courtesy to others, if you happen to catch an Otaku it is considered polite not to return it to the water unless you've reduced it to chum--they really have become an invasive species and can be found even in what used to be considered isolated waters.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JohnK</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:49 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Good thing I want this comic to be black and white. hehe <br /> <br />I'll make sure and take your advice in also seeking artists out rather than just posting on message boards. That sounds like a great idea. Especially since I have a pretty specific look in my mind. It'd probably be better to find someone who is already doing it rather than trying to mold an artist. That's not very collaborative. <br /> <br />I have to make sure to spend some time at Deviant Art going through available artists. Thanks!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>AndToBeLoved</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:48 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">As a freelance illustrator, the three places where I look for gigs the most are Digital Webbing, Deviant Art, and Craigslist (preferably in that order). I take it as a huge compliment when writers contact ME, rather than me having to reply to a post that hundreds of other illustrators have also replied to. So I'd suggest trying to contact people directly first, if you can. It shows that you're willing to do your fair share of work by seeking someone out, rather than expecting people to go to you (that's a generalization, but you get the point). <br /> <br />When I first started out, I was doing fully colored pages for $18 each. Looking back, that was way too low, which was why I didn't stay attached to the project very long (even though my art was terrible, lol). I now charge about $150 per fully colored page, but sometimes up to $200. And I still have a ways to go before I consider my art to actually be good. Honestly, I'd say it's more important to find someone who draws decently but is very reliable, rather than someone who draws amazingly but is unreliable. <br /> <br />And yeah, individual page rates are much easier to work with and keep track of, rather than batches. You can pay out multiple pages at a time at the end of the month or whatever, but work with individual page rates. <br /> <br />Also be very open to negotiation and make sure that when you draft up a contract that everyone's expectations are clearly stated. It's also good to be very upfront about what you're looking for right away. Page rates, deadlines, etc. Don't beat around the bush. But, you know, don't be a jerk about it. Just because you'll be paying them, doesn't mean you have power over them (I've worked with writers who think otherwise and things never go well when that happens). <br /> <br />Good luck! And kudos on seeking out advice ahead of time. <br /> <br /><a href="http://tapastic.com/episode/1669" target="_blank" class="postlink"><img src="http://i45.tinypic.com/nn9nvp.jpg" border="0" /></a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mcmasters</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:50 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If you've got 250 pages written you can cough up, surely, 30 or 40 to a prospective artist and not get that squishy "I don't want to give away too much for nuthin'" feeling. The more material you dangle out there, if it's really catchy, the more likely somebody will catch your fever.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>JohnK</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:14 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm thinking I'm going to start looking for passionate people first, then go the money route later. $30 to $60 is pretty far out of my budget as the comic is about 250 pages in length total. I'm definitely looking for a partnership here that will want to work to build the comic together. I've really had it too easy for too long as a writer. <br /> <br />Thanks for the different locations to seek people out. As I'm doing a third draft on it I'm going to start putting a proposal together and just see what happens over the next few months. I'd really like to get this thing going. If anybody has any other websites they are aware of for finding artists please let me know. <br /> <br />And of course, once I have a proposal and outline put together, I'll put it here.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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